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From: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Sandy Harris <sandyinchina@gmail.com>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, Jason Cooper <jason@lakedaemon.net>,
	John Denker <jsd@av8n.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Stephan Mueller <smueller@chronox.de>
Subject: Re: random(4) changes
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 22:03:23 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160424020323.GD20980@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACXcFm=PmD1_MqH5j-oY=X=mXD20jLMTuaPe9_GVY7JxN99MpA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 06:27:48PM -0400, Sandy Harris wrote:
> 
> I really like Stephan's idea of simplifying the interrupt handling,
> replacing the multiple entropy-gathering calls in the current driver
> with one routine called for all interrupts. See section 1.2 of his
> doc. That seems to me a much cleaner design, easier both to analyse
> and to optimise as a fast interrupt handler.

The current /dev/random driver *already* has a fast interrupt handler,
and it was designed specifically to be very fast and very lightweight.

It's a fair argument that getting rid of add_disk_randomness()
probably makes sense.  However, add_input_randomness() is useful
because it is also mixing in the HID input (e.g., the characters typed
or the mouse movements), and that is extremely valuable and I wouldn't
want to get rid of this.

> In the current driver -- and I think in Stephan's, though I have not
> looked at his code in any detail, only his paper -- heavy use of
> /dev/urandom or the kernel get_random_bytes() call can deplete the
> entropy available to /dev/random. That can be a serious problem in
> some circumstances, but I think I have a fix.

So /dev/urandom, or preferentially, the getrandom(2) system call,
which will block until the entropy pool is initialized, is designed to
be a CRNG.  We use the entropy accounting for the urandom pool as a
hueristic to know how aggressively to pull the random pool and/or
things like hwrandom (since pulling entropy from the TPM does have
costs, for example power utilization for battery-powered devices).

We already throttle back how much we pull from the input pool if it is
being used heavily, specifically to avoid this problem.

Cheers,

					- Ted

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-04-24  2:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-22 22:27 random(4) changes Sandy Harris
2016-04-23  7:52 ` Stephan Mueller
2016-04-24  2:03 ` Theodore Ts'o [this message]
2016-04-24  8:03   ` Stephan Mueller
2016-04-26  3:07     ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-04-26 11:04       ` Herbert Xu
2016-04-26 20:47         ` Andi Kleen
2016-04-27  4:23           ` Herbert Xu
2016-04-26 18:24       ` Stephan Mueller
2016-04-26 18:44       ` Pavel Machek
2016-04-26 18:55         ` Stephan Mueller
2016-04-26 19:41           ` Pavel Machek
2016-04-25 16:06 ` Andi Kleen
2016-04-25 17:25   ` Stephan Mueller
2016-04-25 17:38     ` Andi Kleen
2016-04-25 17:56       ` Stephan Mueller
2016-04-25 19:35         ` Andi Kleen
2016-04-26 12:01           ` Stephan Mueller
2016-04-27 17:47           ` Stephan Mueller
2016-04-26  1:00   ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-04-26 12:42   ` Sandy Harris
     [not found] <5279345.Lo7T948V4W@positron.chronox.de>
2016-04-26 20:43 ` George Spelvin
2016-04-26 21:01   ` Stephan Mueller
2016-04-27  0:23     ` George Spelvin
2016-04-27 18:03       ` George Spelvin
2016-04-28 20:15       ` Stephan Mueller
2016-04-29  7:29         ` George Spelvin
2016-04-29  8:02           ` Stephan Mueller
2016-04-29  9:34             ` George Spelvin
2016-04-29  9:53               ` Stephan Mueller
2016-04-29 11:04                 ` George Spelvin
2016-04-29 11:18                   ` Stephan Mueller
2016-04-29 18:02                     ` George Spelvin
2016-04-29 18:41                       ` Stephan Mueller
2016-04-29 20:08                         ` George Spelvin
2016-04-29 21:54                           ` Stephan Mueller
2016-04-29 22:32                             ` George Spelvin
2016-04-29  0:47       ` George Spelvin

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