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From: Steve Muckle <steve.muckle@linaro.org>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>
Cc: Steve Muckle <steve.muckle@linaro.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	Linux PM list <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Srinivas Pandruvada <srinivas.pandruvada@linux.intel.com>,
	Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@arm.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 5/7] cpufreq / sched: UUF_IO flag to indicate iowait condition
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 19:24:18 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160804022418.GD26555@graphite.smuckle.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJZ5v0j_MrarqdXh8DHHnMm4EbzEksJ8f=BD_=VzPfSD00qRKg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 03, 2016 at 12:38:20AM +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 12:02 AM, Steve Muckle <steve.muckle@linaro.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 02, 2016 at 03:37:02AM +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> >> On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 3:22 AM, Steve Muckle <steve.muckle@linaro.org> wrote:
> >> > On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 01:37:23AM +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> >> > ...
> >> >> For this purpose, define a new cpufreq_update_util() flag
> >> >> UUF_IO and modify enqueue_task_fair() to pass that flag to
> >> >> cpufreq_update_util() in the in_iowait case.  That generally
> >> >> requires cpufreq_update_util() to be called directly from there,
> >> >> because update_load_avg() is not likely to be invoked in that
> >> >> case.
> >> >
> >> > I didn't follow why the cpufreq hook won't likely be called if
> >> > in_iowait is set? AFAICS update_load_avg() gets called in the second loop
> >> > and calls update_cfs_rq_load_avg (triggers the hook).
> >>
> >> In practice it turns out that in the majority of cases when in_iowait
> >> is set the second loop will not run.
> >
> > My understanding of enqueue_task_fair() is that the first loop walks up
> > the portion of the sched_entity hierarchy that needs to be enqueued, and
> > the second loop updates the rest of the hierarchy that was already
> > enqueued.
> >
> > Even if the se corresponding to the root cfs_rq needs to be enqueued
> > (meaning the whole hierarchy is traversed in the first loop and the
> > second loop does nothing), enqueue_entity() on the root cfs_rq should
> > result in the cpufreq hook being called, via enqueue_entity() ->
> > enqueue_entity_load_avg() -> update_cfs_rq_load_avg().
> 
> But then it's rather difficult to pass the IO flag to this one, isn't it?
> 
> Essentially, the problem is to pass "IO" to cpufreq_update_util() when
> p->in_iowait is set.
> 
> If you can find a clever way to do it without adding an extra call
> site, that's fine by me, but in any case the extra
> cpufreq_update_util() invocation should not be too expensive.

I was under the impression that function pointer calls were more
expensive, and in the shared policy case there is a nontrivial amount of
code that is run in schedutil (including taking a spinlock) before we'd
see sugov_should_update_freq() return false and bail.

Agreed that getting knowledge of p->in_iowait down to the existing hook
is not easy. I spent some time fiddling with that. It seemed doable but
somewhat gross due to the required flag passing and modifications
to enqueue_entity, update_load_avg, etc. If it is decided that it is worth
pursuing I can keep working on it and post a draft.

But I also wonder if the hooks are in the best location.  They are
currently deep in the PELT code. This may make sense from a theoretical
standpoint, calling them whenever a root cfs_rq utilization changes, but
it also makes the hooks difficult to correlate (for policy purposes such
as this iowait change) with higher level logical events like a task
wakeup. Or load balance where we probably want to call the hook just
once after a load balance is complete.

This is also an issue for the remote wakeup case where I currently have
another invocation of the hook in check_preempt_curr(), so I can know if
preemption was triggered and skip a remote schedutil update in that case
to avoid a duplicate IPI.

It seems to me worth evaluating if a higher level set of hook locations
could be used. One possibility is higher up in CFS:
- enqueue_task_fair, dequeue_task_fair
- scheduler_tick
- active_load_balance_cpu_stop, load_balance

Though this wouldn't solve my issue with check_preempt_curr. That would
probably require going further up the stack to try_to_wake_up() etc. Not
yet sure what the other hook locations would be at that level.

thanks,
Steve

  reply	other threads:[~2016-08-04  2:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-31 23:31 [RFC][PATCH 0/7] cpufreq / sched: cpufreq_update_util() flags and iowait boosting Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-07-31 23:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/7] cpufreq / sched: Make schedutil access utilization data directly Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-01 19:28   ` Steve Muckle
2016-08-01 23:46     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-02 10:38       ` Juri Lelli
2016-08-02 14:28         ` Steve Muckle
2016-08-02 14:43           ` Juri Lelli
2016-08-08 10:38       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-07-31 23:35 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/7] cpufreq / sched: Drop cpufreq_trigger_update() Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-07-31 23:36 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/7] cpufreq / sched: Check cpu_of(rq) in cpufreq_update_util() Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-01  7:29   ` Dominik Brodowski
2016-08-01 14:57     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-01 19:48     ` Steve Muckle
2016-08-01 23:43       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-07-31 23:36 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/7] cpufreq / sched: Add flags argument to cpufreq_update_util() Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-01  7:33   ` Dominik Brodowski
2016-08-01 14:57     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-01 19:59       ` Steve Muckle
2016-08-01 23:44         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-02  1:36           ` Steve Muckle
2016-07-31 23:37 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/7] cpufreq / sched: UUF_IO flag to indicate iowait condition Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-02  1:22   ` Steve Muckle
2016-08-02  1:37     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-02 22:02       ` Steve Muckle
2016-08-02 22:38         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-04  2:24           ` Steve Muckle [this message]
2016-08-04 21:19             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-04 22:09               ` Steve Muckle
2016-08-05 23:36                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-07-31 23:37 ` [RFC][PATCH 6/7] cpufreq: schedutil: Add iowait boosting Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-02  1:35   ` Steve Muckle
2016-08-02 23:03     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-07-31 23:38 ` [RFC][PATCH 7/7] cpufreq: intel_pstate: Change P-state selection algorithm for Core Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-04  4:18   ` Doug Smythies
2016-08-04  6:53   ` Doug Smythies
2016-08-06  0:02     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-09 17:16       ` Doug Smythies
2016-08-13 15:59       ` Doug Smythies
2016-08-19 14:47         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-20  1:06           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-20  6:40           ` Doug Smythies
2016-08-22 18:53         ` Srinivas Pandruvada
2016-08-22 22:53           ` Doug Smythies
2016-08-23  3:48   ` Wanpeng Li
2016-08-23  4:08     ` Srinivas Pandruvada
2016-08-23  4:50       ` Wanpeng Li
2016-08-23 17:30         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-01 15:26 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/7] cpufreq / sched: cpufreq_update_util() flags and iowait boosting Doug Smythies
2016-08-01 16:30   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-08 11:08     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-08 13:01       ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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