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From: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Manfred Spraul <manfred@colorfullife.com>,
	benh@kernel.crashing.org, paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	1vier1@web.de, Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] spinlock: Document memory barrier rules
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 17:40:21 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160831164020.GG29505@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160831154049.GY10121@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 05:40:49PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 06:59:07AM +0200, Manfred Spraul wrote:
> 
> > The barrier must ensure that taking the spinlock (as observed by another cpu
> > with spin_unlock_wait()) and a following read are ordered.
> > 
> > start condition: sma->complex_mode = false;
> > 
> > CPU 1:
> >     spin_lock(&sem->lock); /* sem_nsems instances */
> >     smp_mb__after_spin_lock();
> >     if (!smp_load_acquire(&sma->complex_mode)) {
> >         /* fast path successful! */
> >         return sops->sem_num;
> >     }
> >      /* slow path, not relevant */
> > 
> > CPU 2: (holding sma->sem_perm.lock)
> > 
> >         smp_store_mb(sma->complex_mode, true);
> > 
> >         for (i = 0; i < sma->sem_nsems; i++) {
> >                 spin_unlock_wait(&sma->sem_base[i].lock);
> >         }

I'm struggling with this example. We have these locks:

  &sem->lock
  &sma->sem_base[0...sma->sem_nsems].lock
  &sma->sem_perm.lock

a condition variable:

  sma->complex_mode

and a new barrier:

  smp_mb__after_spin_lock()

For simplicity, we can make sma->sem_nsems == 1, and have &sma->sem_base[0]
be &sem->lock in the example above. &sma->sem_perm.lock seems to be
irrelevant.

The litmus test then looks a bit like:

CPUm:

LOCK(x)
smp_mb();
RyAcq=0


CPUn:

Wy=1
smp_mb();
UNLOCK_WAIT(x)


which I think can be simplified to:


LOCK(x)
Ry=0

Wy=1
smp_mb(); // Note that this is implied by spin_unlock_wait on PPC and arm64
LOCK(x)   // spin_unlock_wait behaves like lock; unlock
UNLOCK(x)


[I've removed a bunch of barriers here, that I don't think are necessary
 for the guarantees you're after]

and the question is "Can both CPUs proceed?".

Looking at the above, then I don't think that they can. Whilst CPUm can
indeed speculate the Ry=0 before successfully taking the lock, if CPUn
observes CPUm's read, then it must also observe the lock being held wrt
the spin_lock API. That is because a successful LOCK operation by CPUn
would force CPUm to replay its LL/SC loop and therefore discard its
speculation of y.

What am I missing? The code snippet seems to have too many barriers to me!

Will

  reply	other threads:[~2016-08-31 16:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-08-28 11:56 [PATCH 0/4] Clarify/standardize memory barriers for lock/unlock Manfred Spraul
2016-08-28 11:56 ` [PATCH 1/4] spinlock: Document memory barrier rules Manfred Spraul
2016-08-28 11:56   ` [PATCH 2/4] barrier.h: Move smp_mb__after_unlock_lock to barrier.h Manfred Spraul
2016-08-28 11:56     ` [PATCH 3/4] net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_core: update memory barriers Manfred Spraul
2016-08-28 11:56       ` [PATCH 4/4] qspinlock for x86: smp_mb__after_spin_lock() is free Manfred Spraul
2016-08-29 10:52         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-29 10:51       ` [PATCH 3/4] net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_core: update memory barriers Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-28 13:43     ` [PATCH 2/4] barrier.h: Move smp_mb__after_unlock_lock to barrier.h Paul E. McKenney
2016-08-28 16:31       ` Manfred Spraul
2016-08-28 18:00       ` Manfred Spraul
2016-08-28 14:41     ` kbuild test robot
2016-08-28 17:43       ` [PATCH 2/4 v3] spinlock.h: Move smp_mb__after_unlock_lock to spinlock.h Manfred Spraul
2016-08-29 10:48   ` [PATCH 1/4] spinlock: Document memory barrier rules Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-29 12:54     ` Manfred Spraul
2016-08-29 13:44       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-31  4:59         ` Manfred Spraul
2016-08-31 15:40           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-31 16:40             ` Will Deacon [this message]
2016-08-31 18:32               ` Manfred Spraul
2016-09-01  8:44                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-01 11:04                   ` Manfred Spraul
2016-09-01 11:19                     ` Will Deacon
2016-09-01 11:51                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-01 14:05                       ` Boqun Feng
2016-08-29 10:53 ` [PATCH 0/4] Clarify/standardize memory barriers for lock/unlock Peter Zijlstra

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