From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Manfred Spraul <manfred@colorfullife.com>
Cc: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
benh@kernel.crashing.org, paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
1vier1@web.de, Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] spinlock: Document memory barrier rules
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 10:44:35 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160901084435.GN10153@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <80de24e3-fa01-a6d6-99e9-afd1e831e07b@colorfullife.com>
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 08:32:18PM +0200, Manfred Spraul wrote:
> On 08/31/2016 06:40 PM, Will Deacon wrote:
> >The litmus test then looks a bit like:
> >
> >CPUm:
> >
> >LOCK(x)
> >smp_mb();
> >RyAcq=0
> >
> >
> >CPUn:
> >
> >Wy=1
> >smp_mb();
> >UNLOCK_WAIT(x)
> Correct.
> >
> >which I think can be simplified to:
> >
> >
> >LOCK(x)
> I thought that here a barrier is required, because Ry=0 could be before
> store of the lock.
> >Ry=0
> RyAcq instead of Ry would required due to the unlock at the end of the
> critical section
> CpuN: <...>
> WyRelease=0
> for the litmus test irrelevant.
> >Wy=1
> >smp_mb(); // Note that this is implied by spin_unlock_wait on PPC and arm64
> >LOCK(x) // spin_unlock_wait behaves like lock; unlock
> >UNLOCK(x)
>
> >[I've removed a bunch of barriers here, that I don't think are necessary
> > for the guarantees you're after]
> >
> >and the question is "Can both CPUs proceed?".
> >
> >Looking at the above, then I don't think that they can. Whilst CPUm can
> >indeed speculate the Ry=0 before successfully taking the lock, if CPUn
> >observes CPUm's read, then it must also observe the lock being held wrt
> >the spin_lock API. That is because a successful LOCK operation by CPUn
> >would force CPUm to replay its LL/SC loop and therefore discard its
> >speculation of y.
> >
> >What am I missing? The code snippet seems to have too many barriers to me!
> spin_unlock_wait() is not necessarily lock()+unlock().
> It can be a simple Rx, or now RxAcq.
Can be, normally, yes. But on power and arm64, the only architectures on
which the ACQUIRE is 'funny' they do the 'pointless' ll/sc cycle in
spin_unlock_wait() to 'fix' things.
So for both power and arm64, you can in fact model spin_unlock_wait()
as LOCK+UNLOCK.
All the other archs have (so far) 'sensible' ACQUIRE semantics and all
this is moot.
[ MIPS _could_ possibly do the 'interesting' ACQUIRE too, but so far
hasn't introduced their fancy barriers. ]
The other interesting case is qspinlock, which does the unordered store
in software, but that is after a necessary atomic (ACQUIRE) operation to
enqueue, which we exploit in the queued_spin_unlock_wait() to order
against. So that too is good, assuming the ACQUIRE is good.
Once Power/ARM64 use qspinlock, they'll need to be careful again.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-09-01 8:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-08-28 11:56 [PATCH 0/4] Clarify/standardize memory barriers for lock/unlock Manfred Spraul
2016-08-28 11:56 ` [PATCH 1/4] spinlock: Document memory barrier rules Manfred Spraul
2016-08-28 11:56 ` [PATCH 2/4] barrier.h: Move smp_mb__after_unlock_lock to barrier.h Manfred Spraul
2016-08-28 11:56 ` [PATCH 3/4] net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_core: update memory barriers Manfred Spraul
2016-08-28 11:56 ` [PATCH 4/4] qspinlock for x86: smp_mb__after_spin_lock() is free Manfred Spraul
2016-08-29 10:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-29 10:51 ` [PATCH 3/4] net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_core: update memory barriers Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-28 13:43 ` [PATCH 2/4] barrier.h: Move smp_mb__after_unlock_lock to barrier.h Paul E. McKenney
2016-08-28 16:31 ` Manfred Spraul
2016-08-28 18:00 ` Manfred Spraul
2016-08-28 14:41 ` kbuild test robot
2016-08-28 17:43 ` [PATCH 2/4 v3] spinlock.h: Move smp_mb__after_unlock_lock to spinlock.h Manfred Spraul
2016-08-29 10:48 ` [PATCH 1/4] spinlock: Document memory barrier rules Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-29 12:54 ` Manfred Spraul
2016-08-29 13:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-31 4:59 ` Manfred Spraul
2016-08-31 15:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-31 16:40 ` Will Deacon
2016-08-31 18:32 ` Manfred Spraul
2016-09-01 8:44 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2016-09-01 11:04 ` Manfred Spraul
2016-09-01 11:19 ` Will Deacon
2016-09-01 11:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-01 14:05 ` Boqun Feng
2016-08-29 10:53 ` [PATCH 0/4] Clarify/standardize memory barriers for lock/unlock Peter Zijlstra
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