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From: Jean Delvare <jdelvare@suse.de>
To: Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>,
	Julia Lawall <julia.lawall@lip6.fr>,
	Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>,
	Ilya Dryomov <idryomov@gmail.com>,
	Andy Whitcroft <apw@canonical.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Ceph Development <ceph-devel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Alex Elder <elder@kernel.org>, Sage Weil <sage@redhat.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: "CodingStyle: Clarify and complete chapter 7" in docs-next
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2016 14:46:48 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160922144648.10efc7ac@endymion> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8760pop63l.fsf@intel.com>

Hi Jani,

On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 13:43:42 +0300, Jani Nikula wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Sep 2016, Jean Delvare <jdelvare@suse.de> wrote:
> > You need to think in terms of actual use cases. Who uses checkpatch and
> > why? I think there are 3 groups of users:
> > * Beginners. They won't run the script by themselves, instead they will
> >   submit a patch which infringes a lot of coding style rules, and the
> >   maintainer will point them to checkpatch and ask for a resubmission
> >   which makes checkpatch happy. Being beginners, they can only rely on
> >   the script itself to only report things which need to be fixed, by
> >   default.
> > * Experienced developers. Who simply want to make sure they did not
> >   overlook anything before they post their work for review. They have
> >   the knowledge to decide if they want to ignore some of the warnings.
> > * People with too much spare time, looking for anything they could
> >   "contribute" to the kernel. They will use --subjective and piss off
> >   every maintainer they can find.
> >
> > Sadly there's not much we can do about the third category, short of
> > killing option --subjective altogether.
> 
> You could make checkpatch have different defaults for patches and files,
> to encourage better style in new code, but to discourage finding
> problems in existing code.

Fixing old code isn't wrong per se. It's good actually. But only if
done the right way by the right person. I don't think it makes any
sense to use this task as an introduction to kernel development for
newcomers. It doesn't teach them anything about the kernel, really.

-- 
Jean Delvare
SUSE L3 Support

  reply	other threads:[~2016-09-22 12:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-09-19 11:53 "CodingStyle: Clarify and complete chapter 7" in docs-next (was Re: [PATCH 03/47] block-rbd: Adjust the position of a jump label in rbd_header_from_disk()) Ilya Dryomov
2016-09-20  0:11 ` Al Viro
2016-09-20  2:46   ` Joe Perches
2016-09-20  5:53     ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-20  6:32       ` Joe Perches
2016-09-20  6:46         ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-22  9:24         ` "CodingStyle: Clarify and complete chapter 7" in docs-next Jean Delvare
2016-09-22 10:42           ` Joe Perches
2016-09-22 11:57             ` Jean Delvare
2016-09-22 13:11               ` Al Viro
2016-09-22 14:58                 ` Jean Delvare
2016-09-22 15:05                   ` Julia Lawall
2016-09-22 17:50                 ` Joe Perches
2016-09-22 17:49               ` Joe Perches
2016-09-22 19:47                 ` Jean Delvare
2016-09-22 10:43           ` Jani Nikula
2016-09-22 12:46             ` Jean Delvare [this message]
2016-09-22 13:06               ` Jani Nikula

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