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From: Matt Fleming <matt@codeblueprint.co.uk>
To: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Mike Galbraith <umgwanakikbuti@gmail.com>,
	Yuyang Du <yuyang.du@intel.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sched/fair: Do not decay new task load on first enqueue
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 20:21:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160927192107.GB16071@codeblueprint.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKfTPtCi_ekH0ENU+oUJsQka2XagvY=gk=RDZRfpLFWypKrroQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, 23 Sep, at 04:30:25PM, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> 
> Does it mean that you can see the perf drop that you mention below
> because load is decayed to 1002 instead of staying to 1024 ?
 
The performance drop comes from the fact that enqueueing/dequeueing a
task with load 1002 during fork() results in a zero runnable_load_avg,
which signals to the load balancer that the CPU is idle, so the next
time we fork() we'll pick the same CPU to enqueue on -- and the cycle
continues.

I mention the performance regression mainly because it's the thing
that led to me discovering this bug, and only a little as support for
applying the patch ;-)

> 1002 mainly comes from period_contrib being set to 1023 during
> init_entity_runnable_average so any delay longer than 1us between
> attach_entity_load_avg and enqueue_entity_load_avg will trig the decay
> of the load from 1024 to 1002
 
Right.

> But this patch doesn't change the behavior of runnable_load_avg, isn't
> it ? it has only an impact on the initial value of p->se.avg.load_avg
> when the task is enqueued.
 
Correct. It isn't guaranteed that runnable_load_avg will be non-zero
with this patch applied, that was just the case for the workload and
the machine I tested.

> > Arguably the real problem is that balancing on fork doesn't look at
> > the blocked contribution of tasks, only the runnable load and it's
> > possible for the two metrics to be wildly different on a relatively
> > idle system.
> 
> fair enough

I did have some patches somewhere to address this. I'll have to dig
them out.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-09-27 19:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-09-23 11:58 [PATCH] sched/fair: Do not decay new task load on first enqueue Matt Fleming
2016-09-23 14:30 ` Vincent Guittot
2016-09-27 13:48   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2016-09-27 19:24     ` Matt Fleming
2016-09-27 19:21   ` Matt Fleming [this message]
2016-09-28 10:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-28 11:06   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2016-09-28 11:19     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-28 11:31       ` Dietmar Eggemann
2016-09-28 11:46         ` Vincent Guittot
2016-09-28 12:00           ` Vincent Guittot
2016-10-04 21:25             ` Matt Fleming
2016-10-04 20:16           ` Matt Fleming
2016-09-28 12:27         ` Vincent Guittot
2016-09-28 13:13           ` Vincent Guittot
2016-09-29 16:15             ` Dietmar Eggemann
2016-10-03 13:05               ` Vincent Guittot
2016-09-28 17:59       ` Dietmar Eggemann
2016-09-28 19:37   ` Matt Fleming
2016-09-30 20:30     ` Matt Fleming
2016-10-09  3:39     ` Wanpeng Li
2016-10-10 10:01       ` Matt Fleming
2016-10-10 10:09         ` Wanpeng Li
2016-10-11 10:27           ` Matt Fleming
2016-10-10 12:29         ` Vincent Guittot
2016-10-10 13:54           ` Dietmar Eggemann
2016-10-10 18:29             ` Vincent Guittot
2016-10-11  9:44               ` Dietmar Eggemann
2016-10-11 10:39                 ` Matt Fleming
2016-10-18 10:11                   ` Matt Fleming
2016-10-10 17:34           ` Vincent Guittot
2016-10-11 10:24             ` Matt Fleming
2016-10-11 13:14               ` Vincent Guittot
2016-10-11 18:57                 ` Matt Fleming
2016-10-12  7:41                   ` Vincent Guittot
2016-10-18 11:09                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-10-18 15:19                       ` Vincent Guittot
2016-10-18 10:29               ` Matt Fleming
2016-10-18 11:10                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-10-18 11:29                   ` Matt Fleming
2016-10-18 12:15                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-10-19  6:38                       ` Vincent Guittot
2016-10-19  9:53                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-09 16:53                           ` Vincent Guittot
2016-10-04 20:11   ` Matt Fleming
2016-10-09  5:57 ` [lkp] [sched/fair] f54c5d4e28: hackbench.throughput 10.6% improvement kernel test robot

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