From: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
To: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@kernel.org,
dhowells@redhat.com, stern@rowland.harvard.edu
Subject: Re: [PATCH locking/Documentation 1/2] Add note of release-acquire store vulnerability
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 10:20:09 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160930092009.GF10184@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160930055352.GC22004@tardis.cn.ibm.com>
On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 01:53:52PM +0800, Boqun Feng wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 10:23:22AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > If two processes are related by a RELEASE+ACQUIRE pair, ordering can be
> > broken if a third process overwrites the value written by the RELEASE
> > operation before the ACQUIRE operation has a chance of reading it, for
> > example:
> >
> > P0(int *x, int *y)
> > {
> > WRITE_ONCE(*x, 1);
> > smp_wmb();
> ^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> What is this smp_wmb() for?
>
> > smp_store_release(y, 1);
> > }
> >
> > P1(int *y)
> > {
> > WRITE_ONCE(*y, 2);
>
> If we change this WRITE_ONCE to a relaxed atomic operation(e.g.
> xchg_relaxed(y, 2)), both herd and ppcmem said the exist-clause "y = 2
> /\ 2:r1 = 2 /\ 2:r2 = 0" wouldn't be triggered on PPC.
>
> I guess we will get the same behavior on ARM/ARM64, Will?
>
> If a normal store could break chain, while a RmW atomic won't, do we
> want to call it out in the document and build our memory model around
> this?
I think this is required to work by C11's definition of release sequences,
so any architecture that claims to support those with the same instructions
will need this to be forbidden.
Personally, I think that's a bug in C11, because I think it goes too far
in forbidding some hardware optimisations around relaxed xchg, but it is
what it is.
Will
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-09-30 9:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-09-29 15:54 [PATCH locking/Documentation 1/2] Add note of release-acquire store vulnerability Paul E. McKenney
2016-09-29 15:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-29 16:03 ` Will Deacon
2016-09-29 16:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-29 16:44 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-09-29 16:43 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-09-29 17:10 ` Will Deacon
2016-09-29 17:23 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-09-29 18:04 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-09-29 18:10 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-09-29 18:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-29 19:18 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-09-29 19:36 ` Alan Stern
2016-09-29 20:26 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-09-30 8:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-30 9:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-30 9:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-30 12:14 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-09-30 12:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-30 13:35 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-09-30 5:53 ` Boqun Feng
2016-09-30 9:20 ` Will Deacon [this message]
2016-09-30 11:35 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-09-30 10:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-30 12:17 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-09-30 12:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-30 13:10 ` Paul E. McKenney
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