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From: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>
To: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] zram: support page-based parallel write
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 15:08:09 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161021060809.GB527@swordfish> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161017050424.GA4591@blaptop>

Hello Minchan,

On (10/17/16 14:04), Minchan Kim wrote:
> Hi Sergey,
> 
> On Fri, Oct 07, 2016 at 03:33:22PM +0900, Minchan Kim wrote:
> 
> < snip >
> 
> > > so the question is -- can we move this parallelization out of zram
> > > and instead flush bdi in more than one kthread? how bad that would
> > > be? can anyone else benefit from this?
> > 
> > Isn't it blk-mq you mentioned? With blk-mq, I have some concerns.
> > 
> > 1. read speed degradation
> > 2. no work with rw_page
> > 3. more memory footprint by bio/request queue allocation
> > 
> > Having said, it's worth to look into it in detail more.
> > I will have time to see that approach to know what I can do
> > with that.
> 
> queue_mode=2 bs=4096 nr_devices=1 submit_queues=4 hw_queue_depth=128
> 
> Last week, I played with null_blk and blk-mq.c to get an idea how
> blk-mq works and I realized it's not good for zram because it aims
> to solve 1) dispatch queue bottleneck 2) cache-friendly IO completion
> through IRQ so 3) avoids remote memory accesses.
> 
> For zram which is used for embedded as primary purpose, ones listed
> abvoe are not a severe problem. Most imporant thing is there is no
> model to support that a process queueing IO request on *a* CPU while
> other CPUs issues the queued IO to driver.
> 
> Anyway, Although blk-mrq can support that model, it is blk-layer thing.
> IOW, it's software stuff for fast IO delievry but what we need is
> device parallelism of zram itself. So, although we follow blk-mq,
> we still need multiple threads to compress in parallel which is most of
> code I wrote in this patchset.

yes. but at least wb can be multi-threaded. well, sort of. seems like.
sometimes.

> If I cannot get huge benefit(e.g., reduce a lot of zram-speicif code
> to support such model) with blk-mq, I don't feel to switch to request
> model at the cost of reasons I stated above.

thanks.
I'm looking at your patches.

	-ss

  reply	other threads:[~2016-10-21  6:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-09-22  6:42 [PATCH 1/3] zram: rename IO processing functions Minchan Kim
2016-09-22  6:42 ` [PATCH 2/3] zram: support page-based parallel write Minchan Kim
2016-09-29  3:18   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-09-30  5:52     ` Minchan Kim
2016-10-04  4:43       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-10-04  7:35         ` Minchan Kim
2016-10-05  2:01         ` Minchan Kim
2016-10-06  8:29           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-10-07  6:33             ` Minchan Kim
2016-10-07 18:08               ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-10-17  5:04               ` Minchan Kim
2016-10-21  6:08                 ` Sergey Senozhatsky [this message]
2016-10-24  4:51                   ` Minchan Kim
2016-10-21  6:03   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-10-24  4:47     ` Minchan Kim
2016-10-24  5:20       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-10-24  5:58         ` Minchan Kim
2016-10-24  7:23           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-09-22  6:42 ` [PATCH 3/3] zram: adjust the number of zram thread Minchan Kim
2016-10-21  6:23   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-10-24  4:54     ` Minchan Kim
2016-10-24  5:29       ` Sergey Senozhatsky

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