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From: "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@kernel.org>
To: Lukas Wunner <lukas@wunner.de>, "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>
Cc: Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>,
	"Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-samsung-soc@vger.kernel.org, Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Inki Dae <inki.dae@samsung.com>, Kukjin Kim <kgene@kernel.org>,
	Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk@kernel.org>,
	Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz <b.zolnierkie@samsung.com>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Tomeu Vizoso <tomeu.vizoso@collabora.com>,
	Kevin Hilman <khilman@kernel.org>,
	Tobias Jakobi <tjakobi@math.uni-bielefeld.de>,
	Tomasz Figa <tomasz.figa@gmail.com>,
	Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>,
	Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>,
	Lars-Peter Clausen <lars@metafoo.de>,
	Andrzej Hajda <a.hajda@samsung.com>,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@osg.samsung.com>,
	Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 7/7] iommu/exynos: Use device dependency links to control runtime pm
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 00:55:26 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161109235526.GN13978@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161108153044.GA6983@wunner.de>

On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 04:30:44PM +0100, Lukas Wunner wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 08:27:12AM +0100, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> > On 2016-11-07 22:47, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:
> > > Has there been any review of the existing similar solutions out there
> > > such as the DRM / audio component framework? Would that help ?
> > 
> > Nope, none of that solution deals with runtime pm.
> 
> Well, they do.  Hybrid graphics laptops often have an HDA controller
> on the discrete GPU and I assume that's what Luis meant. There's code
> in drivers/gpu/vga/vga_switcheroo.c to make this (only sort of) work:
> 
> * When the GPU is powered up/down, the HDA controller's driver is
>   instructed to pm_runtime_get/put the HDA device (see call to
>   set_audio_state() in vga_switcheroo_set_dynamic_switch()).
> 
> * When a runtime PM ref is acquired on the HDA device, the
>   GPU is powered up (see vga_switcheroo_runtime_resume_hdmi_audio()).
> 
> 
> Unfortunately this is all fairly broken, e.g.:
> 
> * If a runtime PM ref on the HDA device is held for more than 5 sec
>   (autosuspend delay of the GPU), the GPU will be powered down and
>   the HDA device will become inaccessible, regardless of the runtime
>   PM ref still being held (because vga_switcheroo_set_dynamic_switch()
>   doesn't check the refcount of the HDA device).
> 
> * The DRM device is afforded direct-complete but the HDA device is not.
>   If the GPU is handled earlier by dpm_suspend(), then runtime PM will
>   have been disabled on the GPU and thus the HDA device will fail to
>   runtime resume before system sleep.
> 
> Rafael's series allows representation of such inter-device dependencies
> in the PM core and can thus replace kludgy and broken "solutions" like
> the one above.
> 
> There's one thing that I haven't understood myself though:  In an e-mail
> exchange in September Rafael has argued that the above-mentioned hybrid
> graphics use case "isn't a good [example] IMO.  That clearly is a case
> when two (or more) devices share power resources controlled by a single
> on/off switch.  Which is a clear use case for a PM domain."
> 
> The same seems to apply to Marek's SYSMMU use case.  When applying device
> links to SYSMMU or hybrid graphics, we select one of the devices in the
> PM domain as master and have the other one depend on it as slave, i.e.
> a synthetic hierarchical relationship is established.
> 
> I've responded to Rafael on September 18 that this can't be solved with
> a struct dev_pm_domain, but haven't received a reply since:
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2016/9/18/103

Rafael note:

The one he asked here.

  Luis

  reply	other threads:[~2016-11-09 23:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <CGME20161020072330eucas1p2b09ad8d091171edbac9449815fdc0fb7@eucas1p2.samsung.com>
2016-10-20  7:22 ` [PATCH v5 0/7] Exynos IOMMU: proper runtime PM support (use device dependencies) Marek Szyprowski
     [not found]   ` <CGME20161020072331eucas1p1af7dc7270b0b19168b949f3416eda474@eucas1p1.samsung.com>
2016-10-20  7:22     ` [PATCH v5 1/7] iommu/exynos: Remove excessive, useless debug Marek Szyprowski
     [not found]   ` <CGME20161020072332eucas1p1d980c1659979bd5bc2918bfc9d40a415@eucas1p1.samsung.com>
2016-10-20  7:22     ` [PATCH v5 2/7] iommu/exynos: Remove dead code Marek Szyprowski
     [not found]   ` <CGME20161020072332eucas1p26960035de3007724498d59057329683d@eucas1p2.samsung.com>
2016-10-20  7:22     ` [PATCH v5 3/7] iommu/exynos: Simplify internal enable/disable functions Marek Szyprowski
     [not found]   ` <CGME20161020072333eucas1p25b638379091939f10b3c9eb5d89a031e@eucas1p2.samsung.com>
2016-10-20  7:22     ` [PATCH v5 4/7] iommu/exynos: Set master device once on boot Marek Szyprowski
     [not found]   ` <CGME20161020072334eucas1p2a159a25a2875611eff208381ebdb2e84@eucas1p2.samsung.com>
2016-10-20  7:22     ` [PATCH v5 5/7] iommu/exynos: Rework and fix internal locking Marek Szyprowski
     [not found]   ` <CGME20161020072335eucas1p209675d6fbf39e5045281e8023fa9d234@eucas1p2.samsung.com>
2016-10-20  7:22     ` [PATCH v5 6/7] iommu/exynos: Add runtime pm support Marek Szyprowski
2016-10-22  5:50       ` Sricharan
2016-10-24  5:19         ` Marek Szyprowski
2016-10-24 12:15           ` Sricharan
     [not found]   ` <CGME20161020072336eucas1p24a2b020f69b6ae1f55e1760e6e0e94f9@eucas1p2.samsung.com>
2016-10-20  7:22     ` [PATCH v5 7/7] iommu/exynos: Use device dependency links to control runtime pm Marek Szyprowski
2016-10-23  9:49       ` Sricharan
2016-10-24  5:30         ` Marek Szyprowski
2016-10-24 12:29           ` Sricharan
2016-10-24 12:39             ` Marek Szyprowski
2016-10-25  6:53               ` Sricharan
2016-11-07 21:47       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-11-08  7:27         ` Marek Szyprowski
2016-11-08 15:30           ` Lukas Wunner
2016-11-09 23:55             ` Luis R. Rodriguez [this message]
2016-11-10  0:05               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-11-10  0:12                 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-11-10  0:20                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-11-09 23:56             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-11-16  9:30               ` Lukas Wunner
2016-11-19 11:11           ` Lukas Wunner
2016-11-21 13:11             ` Marek Szyprowski

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