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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: Paul Menzel <pmenzel@molgen.mpg.de>,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	dvteam@molgen.mpg.de
Subject: Re: INFO: rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs/tasks with `kswapd` and `mem_cgroup_shrink_node`
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 06:29:01 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161121142901.GV3612@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161121141818.GD18112@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 03:18:19PM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Mon 21-11-16 06:01:22, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 02:41:31PM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
> [...]
> > > To the patch. I cannot say I would like it. cond_resched_rcu_qs sounds
> > > way too lowlevel for this usage. If anything cond_resched somewhere inside
> > > mem_cgroup_iter would be more appropriate to me.
> > 
> > Like this?
> > 
> > 							Thanx, Paul
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > diff --git a/mm/memcontrol.c b/mm/memcontrol.c
> > index ae052b5e3315..81cb30d5b2fc 100644
> > --- a/mm/memcontrol.c
> > +++ b/mm/memcontrol.c
> > @@ -867,6 +867,7 @@ struct mem_cgroup *mem_cgroup_iter(struct mem_cgroup *root,
> >  out:
> >  	if (prev && prev != root)
> >  		css_put(&prev->css);
> > +	cond_resched_rcu_qs();
> 
> I still do not understand why should we play with _rcu_qs at all and a
> regular cond_resched is not sufficient. Anyway I would have to double
> check whether we can do cond_resched in the iterator. I do not remember
> having users which are atomic but I might be easily wrong here. Before
> we touch this code, though, I would really like to understand what is
> actually going on here because as I've already pointed out we should
> have some resched points in the reclaim path.

If there is a tight loop in the kernel, cond_resched() will ensure that
other tasks get a chance to run, but if there are no such tasks, it does
nothing to give RCU the quiescent state that it needs from time to time.
So if there is a possibility of a long-running in-kernel loop without
preemption by some other task, cond_resched_rcu_qs() is required.

I welcome your deeper investigation -- I am very much treating symptoms
here, which might or might not have any relationship to fixing underlying
problems.

							Thanx, Paul

  reply	other threads:[~2016-11-21 14:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <24c226a5-1a4a-173e-8b4e-5107a2baac04@molgen.mpg.de>
2016-11-08 12:22 ` INFO: rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs/tasks with `kswapd` and `mem_cgroup_shrink_node` Paul Menzel
2016-11-08 17:03   ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-11-08 17:38     ` Paul Menzel
2016-11-08 18:39       ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-11-16 17:01         ` Paul Menzel
2016-11-16 17:30           ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-11-21 13:41             ` Michal Hocko
2016-11-21 14:01               ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-11-21 14:18                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-11-21 14:29                   ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2016-11-21 15:35                     ` Donald Buczek
2016-11-24 10:15                       ` Michal Hocko
2016-11-24 18:50                         ` Donald Buczek
2016-11-27  9:37                           ` Paul Menzel
2016-11-27  5:32                         ` Christopher S. Aker
2016-11-27  9:19                         ` Donald Buczek
2016-11-28 11:04                           ` Michal Hocko
2016-11-28 12:26                             ` Paul Menzel
2016-11-30 10:28                               ` Donald Buczek
2016-11-30 11:09                                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-11-30 11:43                                   ` Donald Buczek
2016-12-02  9:14                                     ` Donald Buczek
2016-12-06  8:32                                       ` Donald Buczek
2016-11-30 11:53                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-11-30 11:54                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-11-30 12:31                                       ` Paul Menzel
2016-11-30 14:31                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-11-30 13:19                                     ` Michal Hocko
2016-11-30 14:29                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-11-30 16:38                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-30 17:02                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-11-30 17:05                                           ` Michal Hocko
2016-11-30 17:23                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-11-30 17:34                                               ` Michal Hocko
2016-11-30 17:50                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-30 19:40                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-12-01  5:30                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-12-01 12:40                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-12-01 16:36                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-12-01 16:59                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-12-01 18:09                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-12-01 18:42                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-12-01 18:49                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
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     [not found] ` <20161128095825.GI14788@dhcp22.suse.cz>
     [not found]   ` <20161128105425.GY31360@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
     [not found]     ` <3a4242cb-0198-0a3b-97ae-536fb5ff83ec@kernelpanic.ru>
     [not found]       ` <20161128143435.GC3924@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
     [not found]         ` <eba1571e-f7a8-09b3-5516-c2bc35b38a83@kernelpanic.ru>
     [not found]           ` <20161128150509.GG3924@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
     [not found]             ` <66fd50e1-a922-846a-f427-7654795bd4b5@kernelpanic.ru>
     [not found]               ` <20161130174802.GM18432@dhcp22.suse.cz>
     [not found]                 ` <fd34243c-2ebf-c14b-55e6-684a9dc614e7@kernelpanic.ru>
     [not found]                   ` <20161130182552.GN18432@dhcp22.suse.cz>
2016-12-01 18:10                     ` Boris Zhmurov
2016-12-01 19:39                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-12-02  9:37                       ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-02 13:52                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-12-02 16:39                       ` Boris Zhmurov
2016-12-02 16:44                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-12-02 17:02                           ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-02 17:15                             ` Paul E. McKenney

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