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From: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Cc: "Elliott, Robert (Persistent Memory)" <elliott@hpe.com>,
	Boaz Harrosh <boaz@plexistor.com>,
	"linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@ml01.01.org>,
	"Moreno, Oliver" <oliver.moreno@hpe.com>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"boylston@burromesa.net" <boylston@burromesa.net>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] memcpy_nocache() and memcpy_writethrough()
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 23:22:06 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170103232206.GD1555@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPcyv4hCwH=-O0hed8kxigTvMGekBdJumXtLrZddgCXEUkrW2g@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 03, 2017 at 01:14:11PM -0800, Dan Williams wrote:

> Robert was describing the overall flow / mechanics, but I think it is
> easier to visualize the sfence as a flush command sent to a disk
> device with a volatile cache. In fact, that's how we implemented it in
> the pmem block device driver. The pmem block device registers itself
> as requiring REQ_FLUSH to be sent to persist writes. The driver issues
> sfence on the assumption that all writes to pmem have either bypassed
> the cache with movnt, or are scheduled for write-back via one of the
> flush instructions (clflush, clwb, or clflushopt).

*blink*

1) memcpy_to_pmem() seems to rely upon the __copy_from_user_nocache()
having only used movnt; it does not attempt clwb at all.

2) __copy_from_user_nocache() for short copies does not use movnt at all.
In that case neither sfence nor clwb is issued.

3) it uses movnt only for part of copying in case of misaligned copy;
No clwb is issued, but sfence *is* - at the very end in 64bit case,
between movnt and copying the tail - in 32bit one.  Incidentally,
while 64bit case takes care to align the destination for movnt part,
32bit one does not.

How much of the above is broken and what do the callers rely upon?  In
particular, is that sfence the right thing for pmem usecases?

  reply	other threads:[~2017-01-03 23:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-10-26 15:50 [PATCH v2 0/3] use nocache copy in copy_from_iter_nocache() Brian Boylston
2016-10-26 15:50 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] introduce memcpy_nocache() Brian Boylston
2016-10-26 19:30   ` Thomas Gleixner
2016-10-28  1:52     ` Boylston, Brian
2016-10-26 19:51   ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-10-28  1:54     ` Boylston, Brian
2016-11-01 14:25       ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-12-28 23:43         ` Al Viro
2016-12-29 18:23           ` Dan Williams
2016-12-30  3:52             ` Al Viro
2016-12-30  4:56               ` Dan Williams
2016-12-31  2:25                 ` [RFC] memcpy_nocache() and memcpy_writethrough() Al Viro
2017-01-02  2:35                   ` Elliott, Robert (Persistent Memory)
2017-01-02  5:09                     ` Al Viro
2017-01-03 21:14                       ` Dan Williams
2017-01-03 23:22                         ` Al Viro [this message]
2017-01-03 23:46                           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-01-04  0:57                             ` Dan Williams
2017-01-04  1:38                           ` Dan Williams
2017-01-04  1:59                             ` Al Viro
2017-01-04  2:14                               ` Dan Williams
2016-10-26 15:50 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] use a nocache copy for bvecs and kvecs in copy_from_iter_nocache() Brian Boylston
2016-10-27  4:46   ` Ross Zwisler
2016-10-26 15:50 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] x86: remove unneeded flush in arch_copy_from_iter_pmem() Brian Boylston
2016-10-26 19:57   ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-10-28  1:58     ` Boylston, Brian

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