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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: David Herrmann <dh.herrmann@gmail.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Tom Gundersen <teg@jklm.no>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC v1 00/14] Bus1 Kernel Message Bus
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 23:11:43 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170130221142.GA16743@amd> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANq1E4R_fg6Ptjg53RYzZZ2csrt+VvmExDcE_suvOFfxv-bxcw@mail.gmail.com>

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Hi!

I'm a bit late to the party...

> Example:
> Imagine a receiver with a limit of 1024 handles. A sender transmits a
> message to that receiver. It gets access to half the limit not used by
> anyone else, hence 512 handles. It does not matter how many senders
> there are, nor how many messages are sent, it will reach its quota at
> 512. As long as they all belong to the same user, they will share the
> quota and can queue at most 512 handles. If a second sending user
> comes into play, it gets half the remaining not used by anyone else,
> which ends up being 256. And so on... If the peer dequeues messages in
> between, the numbers get higher again. But if you do the math, the
> most you can get is 50% of the targets resources, if you're the only
> sender. In all other cases you get less (like intertwined transfers,
> etc).
> 
> We did look into sender-based inflight accounting, but the same set of
> issues arises. Sure, a Request+Reply model would make this easier to
> handle, but we want to explicitly support a Subscribe+Event{n} model.
> In this case there is more than one Reply to a message.
> 
> Long story short: We have uid<->uid quotas so far, which prevent DoS
> attacks, unless you get access to a ridiculous amount of local UIDs.
> Details on which resources are accounted can be found in the wiki
> [1].

So if there's limit of 1024 handles, all I need is 10 UIDs, right?

That might be a problem on multiuser unix machine, but on Android
phones, each application gets its own UID. So all you need is 10
applications to bring the system down...
									Pavel
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-01-30 22:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-10-26 19:17 [RFC v1 00/14] Bus1 Kernel Message Bus David Herrmann
2016-10-26 19:17 ` [RFC v1 01/14] bus1: add bus1(7) man-page David Herrmann
2016-10-27 23:12   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-10-26 19:17 ` [RFC v1 02/14] bus1: provide stub cdev /dev/bus1 David Herrmann
2016-10-26 23:19   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-10-26 23:54     ` Tom Gundersen
2016-10-27  9:11       ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-10-27 15:25         ` Tom Gundersen
2016-10-27 16:37           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-10-27 16:39             ` Tom Gundersen
2016-10-29 22:13           ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-10-26 19:17 ` [RFC v1 03/14] bus1: util - active reference utility library David Herrmann
2016-10-26 19:18 ` [RFC v1 04/14] bus1: util - fixed list " David Herrmann
2016-10-27 12:37   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-10-27 12:48     ` David Herrmann
2016-10-27 12:56       ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-10-27 13:31         ` David Herrmann
2016-10-26 19:18 ` [RFC v1 05/14] bus1: util - pool " David Herrmann
2016-10-27 12:54   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-10-27 12:59   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-10-27 15:00     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-10-27 15:14   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-10-26 19:18 ` [RFC v1 06/14] bus1: util - queue " David Herrmann
2016-10-27 15:27   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-10-27 16:43   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-10-28 11:33     ` Tom Gundersen
2016-10-28 13:33       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-10-28 13:47         ` Tom Gundersen
2016-10-28 13:58           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-10-28 14:33             ` Tom Gundersen
2016-10-28 16:49               ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-10-26 19:18 ` [RFC v1 07/14] bus1: tracking user contexts David Herrmann
2016-10-26 19:18 ` [RFC v1 08/14] bus1: implement peer management context David Herrmann
2016-10-28 12:06   ` Richard Weinberger
2016-10-28 13:18     ` Tom Gundersen
2016-10-28 13:21       ` Richard Weinberger
2016-10-28 13:05   ` Richard Weinberger
2016-10-28 13:23     ` Tom Gundersen
2016-10-28 13:54       ` Richard Weinberger
2016-10-26 19:18 ` [RFC v1 09/14] bus1: provide transaction context for multicasts David Herrmann
2016-10-28 14:37   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-10-26 19:18 ` [RFC v1 10/14] bus1: add handle management David Herrmann
2016-10-26 19:18 ` [RFC v1 11/14] bus1: implement message transmission David Herrmann
2016-10-26 19:18 ` [RFC v1 12/14] bus1: hook up file-operations David Herrmann
2016-10-26 19:18 ` [RFC v1 13/14] bus1: limit and protect resources David Herrmann
2016-10-26 19:18 ` [RFC v1 14/14] bus1: basic user-space kselftests David Herrmann
2016-10-26 19:39 ` [RFC v1 00/14] Bus1 Kernel Message Bus Linus Torvalds
2016-10-26 20:34   ` David Herrmann
2016-10-27  0:45     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-10-29 21:04       ` Josh Triplett
2016-11-02 14:45       ` David Herrmann
2017-01-30 22:11     ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2016-10-27 11:10 ` Michael Kerrisk
2016-10-28 13:11 ` Richard Weinberger
2016-10-28 13:37   ` Tom Gundersen

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