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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Ravi Bangoria <ravi.bangoria@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: mingo@redhat.com, acme@kernel.org,
	masami.hiramatsu.pt@hitachi.com, brendan.d.gregg@gmail.com,
	peterz@infradead.org, alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com,
	wangnan0@huawei.com, jolsa@kernel.org, ak@linux.intel.com,
	treeze.taeung@gmail.com, mathieu.poirier@linaro.org,
	hekuang@huawei.com, sukadev@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	ananth@in.ibm.com, naveen.n.rao@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	colin.ing@canonical.com, adrian.hunter@intel.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, hemant@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [RFC] perf/sdt: Directly record SDT event with 'perf record'
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 09:42:24 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170220084224.GA24404@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <58AAA712.5040408@linux.vnet.ibm.com>


* Ravi Bangoria <ravi.bangoria@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:

> Yes, initially I thought about allowing both, 'perf probe' and
> 'perf record' for SDT event. But there are few complications with
> it, esp. when multiple SDT events with same name exists. For ex,
> 
>   $ readelf -n /usr/lib64/libpthread-2.24.so | grep -A2 Provider
>       Provider: libpthread
>       Name: mutex_entry
>       Location: 0x0000000000009ddb, ...
>     --
>       Provider: libpthread
>       Name: mutex_entry
>       Location: 0x000000000000bcbb, ...
> 
> At the time of record, perf has to check first if there is any
> matching entry exists in uprobe_events with that name. If found,
> record it, if not, go look into probe cache. If events exists with
> same name in probe cache, record all of them. Like,
> 
> If probe point _is not_ created,
>   $ perf record -a -e sdt_libpthread:mutex_entry
>     /** Record both sdt_libpthread:mutex_entry **/
> 
> If probe point _is_ created manually, record that particular event,
>   $ perf probe -x /usr/lib64/libpthread-2.24.so sdt_libpthread:mutex_entry
>     Added new events:
>       sdt_libpthread:mutex_entry   (on %mutex_entry in /usr/lib64/libpthread-2.24.so)
>       sdt_libpthread:mutex_entry_1 (on %mutex_entry in /usr/lib64/libpthread-2.24.so)
> 
>   $ perf record -a -e sdt_libpthread:mutex_entry
>     /** Record only first sdt_libpthread:mutex_entry **/
> 
> Here, same command gives different behaviour for different scenarios.
> 
> Now consider a scenario when probe point exists for any one event:
> 
>   $ perf probe -d sdt_libpthread:mutex_entry_1
>   $ perf probe --list
>     sdt_libpthread:mutex_entry (on pthread_mutex_lock+11 in /usr/lib64/libpthread-2.24.so)
> 
> And user tries to record it by,
>   $ perf record -a -e sdt_libpthread:*
> 
> What should be the behavior of the tool? Should it record only one
> 'sdt_libpthread:mutex_entry' which exists in uprobe_events? Or it
> should record all the SDT events from libpthread? We can choose either
> of two but both the cases are ambiguous.

They are not ambiguous really if coded right: just pick one of the outcomes and 
maybe print a warning to inform the user that something weird is going on because 
not all markers are enabled?

As a user I'd expect 'perf record' to enable all markers and print a warning that 
the markers were in a partial state. This would result in consistent behaviour.

Does it make sense to only enable some of the markers that alias on the same name? 
If not then maybe disallow that in perf probe - or change perf probe to do the 
same thing as perf record.

I.e. this is IMHO an artificial problem that users should not be exposed to and 
which can be solved by tooling.

In particular if it's possible to enable only a part of the markers then perf 
record not continuing would be a failure mode: if for example a previous perf 
record session segfaulted (or ran out of RAM or was killed in the wrong moment or 
whatever) then it would not be possible to (easily) clean up the mess.

> Not allowing 'perf probe' for SDT event will solve all such issues.
> Also it will make user interface simple and consistent. Other current
> tooling (systemtap, for instance) also do not allow probing individual
> markers when there are multiple markers with the same name.

In any case if others agree with your change in UI flow too then it's fine by me, 
but please make it robust, i.e. if perf record sees partially enabled probes it 
should still continue.

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2017-02-20  8:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-16 23:55 [PATCH 0/2] perf: add support of SDT probes arguments Alexis Berlemont
2016-11-16 23:56 ` [PATCH 1/2] perf sdt: add scanning of sdt probles arguments Alexis Berlemont
2016-11-16 23:56 ` [PATCH 2/2] perf probe: add sdt probes arguments into the uprobe cmd string Alexis Berlemont
2016-11-17  9:04   ` Hemant Kumar
2016-11-18 23:56     ` [PATCH v2 0/2] " Alexis Berlemont
2016-11-18 23:56     ` [PATCH v2 1/2] perf sdt: add scanning of sdt probles arguments Alexis Berlemont
2016-11-25 14:40       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2016-11-26  0:58         ` [PATCH v4 0/2] perf probe: add sdt probes arguments into the uprobe cmd string Alexis Berlemont
2016-12-05 23:42           ` Alexis Berlemont
2016-12-06 14:45             ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2016-11-26  0:58         ` [PATCH v4 1/2] perf sdt: add scanning of sdt probles arguments Alexis Berlemont
2016-12-07  2:44           ` Masami Hiramatsu
2016-11-26  0:58         ` [PATCH v4 2/2] perf probe: add sdt probes arguments into the uprobe cmd string Alexis Berlemont
2016-12-07  3:26           ` Masami Hiramatsu
2016-12-09 15:14             ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2016-12-10 10:00               ` Masami Hiramatsu
2016-12-14  0:07             ` [PATCH v5 0/2] " Alexis Berlemont
2016-12-14  7:36               ` Ingo Molnar
2017-01-23 11:23                 ` Ravi Bangoria
2017-02-22 22:41                   ` Alexis Berlemont
2017-01-24  6:58                 ` Ravi Bangoria
2017-01-24  8:22                   ` Ingo Molnar
2017-01-24  8:36                     ` Ravi Bangoria
2017-02-02 11:11               ` [PATCH 0/5] perf/sdt: Argument support for x86 and powepc Ravi Bangoria
2017-02-02 11:11                 ` [PATCH 1/5] perf/sdt: Show proper hint Ravi Bangoria
2017-02-02 13:40                   ` Ingo Molnar
2017-02-02 16:20                     ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2017-02-03 10:26                       ` [PATCH v2] " Ravi Bangoria
2017-02-03 15:18                         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2017-02-07  7:53                           ` Ingo Molnar
2017-02-07 15:50                             ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2017-02-07  8:00                           ` Ingo Molnar
2017-02-16 10:16                           ` [RFC] perf/sdt: Directly record SDT event with 'perf record' Ravi Bangoria
2017-02-20  7:08                             ` Ingo Molnar
2017-02-20  8:21                               ` Ravi Bangoria
2017-02-20  8:42                                 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2017-02-20 11:01                                   ` Ravi Bangoria
2017-02-20 14:11                                     ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2017-02-23  8:13                                       ` Ravi Bangoria
2017-02-23 12:48                                         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2017-02-07  1:13                         ` [PATCH v2] perf/sdt: Show proper hint Masami Hiramatsu
2017-02-10  7:44                         ` [tip:perf/core] perf sdt: Show proper hint when event not yet in place via 'perf probe' tip-bot for Ravi Bangoria
2017-02-02 11:11                 ` [PATCH 2/5] perf/sdt/x86: Add renaming logic for rNN and other registers Ravi Bangoria
2017-02-07  3:11                   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2017-03-21 14:08                     ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2017-03-24 18:45                   ` [tip:perf/core] perf sdt x86: " tip-bot for Ravi Bangoria
2017-02-02 11:11                 ` [PATCH 3/5] perf/sdt/x86: Move OP parser to tools/perf/arch/x86/ Ravi Bangoria
2017-02-07  3:11                   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2017-02-07  5:22                     ` Ravi Bangoria
2017-03-21 14:10                       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2017-03-21 23:00                         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2017-03-22 11:22                           ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2017-03-21 14:55                   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2017-02-02 11:11                 ` [PATCH 4/5] perf/sdt/powerpc: Add argument support Ravi Bangoria
2017-02-02 11:11                 ` [PATCH 5/5] perf/probe: Change MAX_CMDLEN Ravi Bangoria
2017-02-07  1:40                   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2017-02-07  5:45                     ` [PATCH v2] " Ravi Bangoria
2017-03-21  5:19                       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2017-03-21 13:37                         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2017-03-24 18:43                       ` [tip:perf/core] perf probe: " tip-bot for Ravi Bangoria
2017-02-07  2:55                 ` [PATCH 0/5] perf/sdt: Argument support for x86 and powepc Masami Hiramatsu
2017-03-06  7:53                   ` Ravi Bangoria
2017-03-06 13:42                     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2017-03-21  5:08               ` [PATCH v5 0/2] perf probe: add sdt probes arguments into the uprobe cmd string Masami Hiramatsu
2016-12-14  0:07             ` [PATCH v5 1/2] perf sdt: add scanning of sdt probles arguments Alexis Berlemont
2017-03-06 13:39               ` Masami Hiramatsu
2017-03-21 13:52                 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2017-03-24 18:44               ` [tip:perf/core] perf sdt: Add scanning of sdt probes arguments tip-bot for Alexis Berlemont
2016-12-14  0:07             ` [PATCH v5 2/2] perf probe: add sdt probes arguments into the uprobe cmd string Alexis Berlemont
2017-01-24  8:50               ` Ravi Bangoria
2017-03-06 17:23               ` Masami Hiramatsu
2017-03-24 18:44               ` [tip:perf/core] perf probe: Add " tip-bot for Alexis Berlemont
2016-11-18 23:56     ` [PATCH v2 2/2] perf probe: add " Alexis Berlemont
2016-11-21 10:25       ` Hemant Kumar
2016-11-24 23:13         ` [PATCH v3 0/2] " Alexis Berlemont
2016-11-24 23:13         ` [PATCH v3 1/2] perf sdt: add scanning of sdt probles arguments Alexis Berlemont
2016-11-24 23:13         ` [PATCH v3 2/2] perf probe: add sdt probes arguments into the uprobe cmd string Alexis Berlemont

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