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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: "Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Mika Penttilä" <mika.penttila@nextfour.com>,
	"Aleksa Sarai" <asarai@suse.com>,
	"Andy Lutomirski" <luto@amacapital.net>,
	"Attila Fazekas" <afazekas@redhat.com>,
	"Jann Horn" <jann@thejh.net>, "Kees Cook" <keescook@chromium.org>,
	"Michal Hocko" <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	"Ulrich Obergfell" <uobergfe@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH V2 1/2] exec: don't wait for zombie threads with cred_guard_mutex held
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 18:53:55 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170221175354.GA31436@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87vas4wl3z.fsf@xmission.com>

On 02/21, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>
> Today cred_guard_mutex is part of making exec appear to be an atomic
> operation to ptrace and and proc.  To make exec appear to be atomic
> we do need to take the mutex at the beginning and release it at the end
> of exec.
>
> The semantics of exec appear atomic to ptrace_attach and to proc readers
> are necessary to ensure we use the proper process credentials in the
> event of a suid exec.

This is clear. My point is that imo a) it is over-used in fs/proc and b)
the scope of this mutex if execve is too huge. I see absolutely no reason
to do copy_strings() with this mutex held, for example. And note that
copy_strings() can use a lot of memory/time, it can trigger oom,swapping,
etc.

But let me repeat, this is a bit off-topic right now, this patch doesn't
change anything in this respect, afaics.


> I believe making cred_guard_mutex per task is an option.  Reducing the
> scope of cred_guard_mutex concerns me.  There appear to be some fields
> like sighand that we currently expose in proc

please see another email, collect_sigign_sigcatch() is called without this
mutex.

> Do you know if we can make cred_guard_mutex a per-task lock again?

I think we can, but this needs some (afaics simple) changes too.

But for what? Note that the problem fixed by this series won't go away
if we do this.


So what do you think about this series?

Oleg.

  reply	other threads:[~2017-02-21 17:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-02-13 14:14 [PATCH 0/2] fix the traced mt-exec deadlock Oleg Nesterov
2017-02-13 14:15 ` [PATCH 1/2] exec: don't wait for zombie threads with cred_guard_mutex held Oleg Nesterov
2017-02-13 16:12   ` kbuild test robot
2017-02-13 16:47     ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-02-13 16:39   ` kbuild test robot
2017-02-13 17:27   ` Mika Penttilä
2017-02-13 18:01     ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-02-13 18:04   ` [PATCH V2 " Oleg Nesterov
2017-02-16 11:42     ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-02-20 15:22       ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-02-20 15:36         ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-02-20 22:30         ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-02-21 17:53           ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2017-02-21 20:20             ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-02-22 17:41               ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-02-17  4:42     ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-02-20 15:50       ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-02-13 14:15 ` [PATCH 2/2] ptrace: ensure PTRACE_EVENT_EXIT won't stop if the tracee is killed by exec Oleg Nesterov
2017-02-24 16:03 ` [PATCH 0/2] fix the traced mt-exec deadlock Oleg Nesterov
2017-03-03  1:05   ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-03-03 17:33     ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-03-03 18:23       ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-03-03 18:59         ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-03-03 20:06           ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-03-03 20:11             ` [RFC][PATCH] exec: Don't wait for ptraced threads to be reaped Eric W. Biederman
2017-03-04 17:03               ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-03-30  8:07                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-01  5:11                   ` [RFC][PATCH 0/2] exec: Fixing ptrace'd mulit-threaded hang Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-01  5:14                     ` [RFC][PATCH 1/2] sighand: Count each thread group once in sighand_struct Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-01  5:16                     ` [RFC][PATCH 2/2] exec: If possible don't wait for ptraced threads to be reaped Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-02 15:35                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-02 18:53                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-03 18:12                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-03 21:04                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-05 16:44                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-02 15:38                     ` [RFC][PATCH 0/2] exec: Fixing ptrace'd mulit-threaded hang Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-02 22:50                     ` [RFC][PATCH v2 0/5] " Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-02 22:51                       ` [RFC][PATCH v2 1/5] ptrace: Don't wait in PTRACE_O_TRACEEXIT for exec or coredump Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-05 16:19                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-02 22:51                       ` [RFC][PATCH v2 2/5] sighand: Count each thread group once in sighand_struct Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-02 22:52                       ` [RFC][PATCH v2 3/5] clone: Disallown CLONE_THREAD with a shared sighand_struct Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-05 16:24                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-05 17:34                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-05 18:11                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-02 22:53                       ` [RFC][PATCH v2 4/5] exec: If possible don't wait for ptraced threads to be reaped Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-05 16:15                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-02 22:57                       ` [RFC][PATCH v2 5/5] signal: Don't allow accessing signal_struct by old threads after exec Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-05 16:18                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-05 18:16                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-06 15:48                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-02 16:15                   ` [RFC][PATCH] exec: Don't wait for ptraced threads to be reaped Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-02 21:07                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-03 18:37                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-03 22:49                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-03 22:49                         ` scope of cred_guard_mutex Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-05 16:08                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-05 16:11                             ` Kees Cook
2017-04-05 17:53                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-05 18:15                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-06 15:55                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-07 22:07                             ` Kees Cook
2017-09-04  3:19                       ` [RFC][PATCH] exec: Don't wait for ptraced threads to be reaped Robert O'Callahan
2017-03-04 16:54         ` [PATCH 0/2] fix the traced mt-exec deadlock Oleg Nesterov

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