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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: "Gabriel L. Somlo" <gsomlo@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Radim Krčmář" <rkrcmar@redhat.com>,
	"Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, "Joerg Roedel" <joro@8bytes.org>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 untested] kvm: better MWAIT emulation for guests
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 01:41:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170316013903-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170315233534.GG2239@HEDWIG.INI.CMU.EDU>

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 07:35:34PM -0400, Gabriel L. Somlo wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 11:22:18PM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > Guests running Mac OS 5, 6, and 7 (Leopard through Lion) have a problem:
> > unless explicitly provided with kernel command line argument
> > "idlehalt=0" they'd implicitly assume MONITOR and MWAIT availability,
> > without checking CPUID.
> > 
> > We currently emulate that as a NOP but on VMX we can do better: let
> > guest stop the CPU until timer, IPI or memory change.  CPU will be busy
> > but that isn't any worse than a NOP emulation.
> > 
> > Note that mwait within guests is not the same as on real hardware
> > because halt causes an exit while mwait doesn't.  For this reason it
> > might not be a good idea to use the regular MWAIT flag in CPUID to
> > signal this capability.  Add a flag in the hypervisor leaf instead.
> > 
> > Additionally, we add a capability for QEMU - e.g. if it knows there's an
> > isolated CPU dedicated for the VCPU it can set the standard MWAIT flag
> > to improve guest behaviour.
> 
> Same behavior (on the mac pro 1,1 running F22 with custom-compiled
> kernel from kvm git master, plus this patch on top).
> 
> The OS X 10.7 kernel hangs (or at least progresses extremely slowly)
> on boot, does not bring up guest graphical interface within the first
> 10 minutes that I waited for it. That, in contrast with the default
> nop-based emulation where the guest comes up within 30 seconds.


Thanks a lot, meanwhile I'll try to write a unit-test and experiment
with various behaviours.

> I will run another round of tests on a newer Mac (4-year-old macbook
> air) and report back tomorrow.
> 
> Going off on a tangent, why would encouraging otherwise well-behaved
> guests (like linux ones, for example) to use MWAIT be desirable to
> begin with ? Is it a matter of minimizing the overhead associated with
> exiting and re-entering L1 ? Because if so, AFAIR staying inside L1 and
> running guest-mode MWAIT in a tight loop will actually waste the host
> CPU without the opportunity to yield to some other L0 thread. Sorry if
> I fell into the middle of an ongoing conversation on this and missed
> most of the relevant context, in which case please feel free to ignore
> me... :)
> 
> Thanks,
> --G

It's just some experiments I'm running, I'm not ready to describe it
yet. I thought this part might be useful to at least some guests, so
trying to upstream it right now.

-- 
MST

  reply	other threads:[~2017-03-15 23:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-15 21:22 [PATCH v5 untested] kvm: better MWAIT emulation for guests Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-15 23:35 ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-15 23:41   ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2017-03-16 13:24     ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-16 14:04       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-16 14:58         ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-16 15:23           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-16 15:35           ` Radim Krčmář
2017-03-16 16:01             ` Radim Krčmář
2017-03-16 16:47               ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-16 17:22                 ` Radim Krčmář
2017-03-16 17:39                   ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-16 17:27                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-16 17:41                   ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-16 18:29                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-16 19:24                       ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-16 19:27                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-16 20:17                           ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-16 21:14                             ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-17  2:03                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-17 13:23                                 ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-21  3:22                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-21 16:58                                     ` Radim Krčmář
2017-03-21 17:29                                       ` Nadav Amit
2017-03-21 19:22                                         ` Radim Krčmář
2017-03-21 22:51                                           ` Gabriel Somlo
2017-03-22  0:02                                             ` Nadav Amit
2017-03-22 13:35                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-22 14:10                                                 ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-22 14:15                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-16 16:16             ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-16 16:45               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-16 16:52                 ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-16 16:54                   ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-16 17:14                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-16 17:38                       ` Radim Krčmář
2017-03-16 14:08       ` Radim Krčmář
2017-03-16 15:44         ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-16 15:54           ` Radim Krčmář
2017-03-16 16:26             ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-21 16:16 ` Joerg Roedel
2017-03-21 18:45   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-27 13:34 ` Alexander Graf
2017-03-28 14:28   ` Radim Krčmář
2017-03-28 20:35     ` Jim Mattson
2017-03-29 12:11       ` Radim Krčmář
2017-04-03 10:04         ` Alexander Graf
2017-04-04 12:39           ` Radim Krčmář
2017-04-04 12:51             ` Alexander Graf
2017-04-04 13:13               ` Radim Krčmář
2017-04-04 13:15                 ` Alexander Graf
2017-04-04 13:44                   ` Radim Krčmář

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