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From: "Radim Krčmář" <rkrcmar@redhat.com>
To: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>
Cc: Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Gabriel L. Somlo" <gsomlo@gmail.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>, kvm list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 untested] kvm: better MWAIT emulation for guests
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2017 15:13:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170404131308.GA9826@potion> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <abcfc109-296d-ec8e-2f4a-4f55f6a1b632@suse.de>

2017-04-04 14:51+0200, Alexander Graf:
> On 04/04/2017 02:39 PM, Radim Krčmář wrote:
>> 2017-04-03 12:04+0200, Alexander Graf:
>> > So coming back to the original patch, is there anything that should keep us
>> > from exposing MWAIT straight into the guest at all times?
>> Just minor issues:
>>   * OS X on Core 2 fails for unknown reason if we disable the instruction
>>     trapping, which is an argument against doing it by default
> 
> So for that we should try and see if changing the exposed CPUID MWAIT leaf
> helps. Currently we return 0/0 which is pretty bogus and might be the reason
> OSX fails.

We have tried to pass host's CPUID MWAIT leaf and it still failed:
https://www.spinics.net/lists/kvm/msg146686.html

I wouldn't mind breaking that particular combination of OS X and
hardware, but I'm worried to do it because we don't understand why it
broke, so there could be more ...

>>   * idling guests would consume host CPU, which is a significant change
>>     in behavior and shouldn't be done without userspace's involvement
> 
> That's the same as today, as idling guests with MWAIT would also today end
> up in a NOP emulated loop.
> 
> Please bear in mind that I do not advocate to expose the MWAIT CPUID flag.
> This is only for the instruction trap.

Ah, makes sense.

>> I think the best compromise is to add a capability for the MWAIT VM-exit
>> controls and let userspace expose MWAIT if it wishes to.
>> Will send a patch.
> 
> Please see my patch to force enable CPUID bits ;).

Nice.  MWAIT could also use setting of arbitrary values for its leaf,
but a generic interface for that would probably look clunky on the
command line ...

  reply	other threads:[~2017-04-04 13:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-15 21:22 [PATCH v5 untested] kvm: better MWAIT emulation for guests Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-15 23:35 ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-15 23:41   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-16 13:24     ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-16 14:04       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-16 14:58         ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-16 15:23           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-16 15:35           ` Radim Krčmář
2017-03-16 16:01             ` Radim Krčmář
2017-03-16 16:47               ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-16 17:22                 ` Radim Krčmář
2017-03-16 17:39                   ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-16 17:27                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-16 17:41                   ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-16 18:29                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-16 19:24                       ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-16 19:27                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-16 20:17                           ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-16 21:14                             ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-17  2:03                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-17 13:23                                 ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-21  3:22                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-21 16:58                                     ` Radim Krčmář
2017-03-21 17:29                                       ` Nadav Amit
2017-03-21 19:22                                         ` Radim Krčmář
2017-03-21 22:51                                           ` Gabriel Somlo
2017-03-22  0:02                                             ` Nadav Amit
2017-03-22 13:35                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-22 14:10                                                 ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-22 14:15                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-16 16:16             ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-16 16:45               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-16 16:52                 ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-16 16:54                   ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-16 17:14                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-16 17:38                       ` Radim Krčmář
2017-03-16 14:08       ` Radim Krčmář
2017-03-16 15:44         ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-16 15:54           ` Radim Krčmář
2017-03-16 16:26             ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2017-03-21 16:16 ` Joerg Roedel
2017-03-21 18:45   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-27 13:34 ` Alexander Graf
2017-03-28 14:28   ` Radim Krčmář
2017-03-28 20:35     ` Jim Mattson
2017-03-29 12:11       ` Radim Krčmář
2017-04-03 10:04         ` Alexander Graf
2017-04-04 12:39           ` Radim Krčmář
2017-04-04 12:51             ` Alexander Graf
2017-04-04 13:13               ` Radim Krčmář [this message]
2017-04-04 13:15                 ` Alexander Graf
2017-04-04 13:44                   ` Radim Krčmář

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