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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
	Jessica Yu <jeyu@redhat.com>, Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org>,
	Miroslav Benes <mbenes@suse.cz>,
	live-patching@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] livepatch/rcu: Warn when system consistency is broken in RCU code
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 07:50:28 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170511145028.GD3956@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170511135246.GN3452@pathway.suse.cz>

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 03:52:46PM +0200, Petr Mladek wrote:
> On Mon 2017-05-08 15:13:22, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> > On Mon, 8 May 2017 11:51:08 -0500
> > Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Another idea would be to figure out a way to stop using RCU in
> > > klp_ftrace_handler() altogether.
> > > 
> > 
> > That may work if rcu_enter_irq() doesn't. But that's how NMIs use rcu.
> 
> I am a bit confused by the above. Does it mean that RCU could not be
> used in NMI handlers?

Only RCU readers can be used in NMI handlers, that is, rcu_read_lock(),
rcu_read_unlock(), rcu_dereference(), and so on.

							Thanx, Paul

> Anyway, a crazy idea is to use the livepatch consistency model instead
> of RCU to protect the function stack. The model makes sure that all
> tasks, including the idle ones, were not running any patched function
> (and their ftrace handlers) at some point. It should be safe
> but I am not sure if it is worth it.
> 
> Alternatively, it might be enough to use the probably more lightwight
> solution that is used when ftrace handlers are deregistered, I mean:
> 
> 	/*
> 	 * We need to do a hard force of sched synchronization.
> 	 * This is because we use preempt_disable() to do RCU, but
> 	 * the function tracers can be called where RCU is not watching
> 	 * (like before user_exit()). We can not rely on the RCU
> 	 * infrastructure to do the synchronization, thus we must do it
> 	 * ourselves.
> 	 */
> 	schedule_on_each_cpu(ftrace_sync);
> 
> 	/*
> 	 * When the kernel is preeptive, tasks can be preempted
> 	 * while on a ftrace trampoline. Just scheduling a task on
> 	 * a CPU is not good enough to flush them. Calling
> 	 * synchornize_rcu_tasks() will wait for those tasks to
> 	 * execute and either schedule voluntarily or enter user space.
> 	 */
> 	if (IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_PREEMPT))
> 		synchronize_rcu_tasks();
> 
> 
> 
> Best  Regards,
> Petr
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2017-05-11 14:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-04 10:55 [PATCH 0/3] livepatch/rcu: Handle some subtle issues between livepatching and RCU Petr Mladek
2017-05-04 10:55 ` [PATCH 1/3] livepatch/rcu: Guarantee consistency when patching idle kthreads Petr Mladek
2017-05-04 10:55 ` [PATCH 2/3] livepatch/rcu: Warn when system consistency is broken in RCU code Petr Mladek
2017-05-08 16:51   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-08 19:13     ` Steven Rostedt
2017-05-08 19:47       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-08 20:15         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-05-08 20:43           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-08 20:51             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-08 21:08               ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-05-08 21:07             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-05-08 21:18               ` Steven Rostedt
2017-05-08 21:30                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-05-08 22:16               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-08 22:36                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-05-09 16:18                   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-09 16:36                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-05-10 16:04                     ` Petr Mladek
2017-05-10 16:45                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-05-10 17:58                       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-11 12:40                         ` Miroslav Benes
2017-05-11 15:03                           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-08 21:16             ` Steven Rostedt
2017-05-08 20:18         ` Steven Rostedt
2017-05-11 12:50           ` Miroslav Benes
2017-05-11 13:52       ` Petr Mladek
2017-05-11 14:50         ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2017-05-11 15:27         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-11 12:44     ` Petr Mladek
2017-05-04 10:55 ` [PATCH 3/3] livepatch/rcu: Disable livepatch removal when safety is not guaranteed Petr Mladek
2017-05-04 16:55 ` [PATCH 0/3] livepatch/rcu: Handle some subtle issues between livepatching and RCU Paul E. McKenney

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