Re: [PATCH 1/6] kmod: add dynamic max concurrent thread count

Dmitry Torokhov
2017-05-25T16:39:03Z

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 06:22:01PM +0200, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:
> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 02:58:29PM -0700, Dmitry Torokhov wrote:
> > On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 02:45:29PM -0700, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:
> > > On May 19, 2017 1:45 PM, "Dmitry Torokhov" <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 08:24:39PM -0700, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:
> > > > We currently statically limit the number of modprobe threads which
> > > > we allow to run concurrently to 50. As per Keith Owens, this was a
> > > > completely arbitrary value, and it was set in the 2.3.38 days [0]
> > > > over 16 years ago in year 2000.
> > > >
> > > > Although we haven't yet hit our lower limits, experimentation [1]
> > > > shows that when and if we hit this limit in the worst case, will be
> > > > fatal -- consider get_fs_type() failures upon mount on a system which
> > > > has many partitions, some of which might even be with the same
> > > > filesystem. Its best to be prudent and increase and set this
> > > > value to something more sensible which ensures we're far from hitting
> > > > the limit and also allows default build/user run time override.
> > > >
> > > > The worst case is fatal given that once a module fails to load there
> > > > is a period of time during which subsequent request for the same module
> > > > will fail, so in the case of partitions its not just one request that
> > > > could fail, but whole series of partitions. This later issue of a
> > > > module request failure domino effect can be addressed later, but
> > > > increasing the limit to something more meaninful should at least give us
> > > > enough cushion to avoid this for a while.
> > > >
> > > > Set this value up with a bit more meaninful modern limits:
> > > >
> > > > Bump this up to 64 max for small systems (CONFIG_BASE_SMALL)
> > > > Bump this up to 128 max for larger systems (!CONFIG_BASE_SMALL)
> > > >
> > > > Also allow the default max limit to be further fine tuned at compile
> > > > time and at initialization at run time at boot up using the kernel
> > > > parameter: max_modprobes.
> > > >
> > > > [0] https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/history/
> > > history.git/commit/?id=ab1c4ec7410f6ec64e1511d1a7d850fc99c09b44
> > > > [1] https://github.com/mcgrof/test_request_module
> > >
> > > If we actually run into this issue, instead of slamming the system with
> > > bazillion concurrent requests, can we wait for the other modprobes to
> > > finish and then continue?
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes ! That I have a patch that does precisely that ! That is actually still
> > > *not enough* to not fail fatally but this would be subject of another
> > > series with more debatable approaches.
> > >
> >
> > Then please post it.
>
> Will do.
>
> > > This at least pushes us to closer safer limits for now while also making it
> > > configurable.
> >
> > Making it configurable depending on how big/little box is makes no
> > sense,
>
> If we set a hard limit then we need to patch a system if we need to increment
> it. This is rather stupid given we have no current heuristics to make kmod
> loading deterministic from userspace, and in the worst case this can be fatal.
> General system size is a good first guess, but making it configurable is
> really key given current limitations. I'll post further patches which reveals
> some of these issues more clearly.
>
> > especially if the above is implemented, as depth of modprobe
> > invocations depends on configuration and not computing power of the
> > hardware the system is running on.
>
> You seem to agree making it configurable is sensible , but not depending on
> the system size ?

No, I am saying that making it configurable based on system size makes
no sense at all, and making it configurable given you already have
patches removing hard failures gives no benefit.

Thanks.

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Dmitry