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From: Okash Khawaja <okash.khawaja@gmail.com>
To: Alan Cox <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.com>,
	Samuel Thibault <samuel.thibault@ens-lyon.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, William Hubbs <w.d.hubbs@gmail.com>,
	Chris Brannon <chris@the-brannons.com>,
	Kirk Reiser <kirk@reisers.ca>,
	speakup@linux-speakup.org, devel@driverdev.osuosl.org
Subject: Re: [patch 0/3] Re: tty contention resulting from tty_open_by_device export
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 12:29:54 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170713112954.GA665@sanghar> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170712192028.70bc0d54@alans-desktop>

On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 07:20:28PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> 
> > When opening from kernel, we don't use file pointer. The count mismatch
> > is between tty->count and #fd's. So opening from kernel leads to #fd's
> > being less than tty->count. I thought this difference is relevant to
> > user-space opening of tty, and not to kernel opening of tty. Can you
> > suggest how to address this mismatch?
> 
> Your kernel reference is the same as having a file open reference so I
> think this actually needs addressing in the maths. In other words count
> the number of kernel references and also add that into the test for
> check_tty_count (kernel references + #fds == count).
> 
> I'd really like to keep this right because that check has a long history
> of catching really nasty race conditions in the tty code. The
> open/close/hangup code is really fragile so worth the debugability.

I see. Okay based this, check_tty_count can be easily updated to take
into account kernel references.

> 
> > Ah may be I didn't notice the active bit. Is it one of the #defines in
> > tty.h? Can usage count and active bit be used to differentiate between
> > whether the tty was opened by kernel or user?
> 
> It only tells you whether the port is currently active for some purpose,
> not which. If you still want to implement exclusivity between kernel and
> user then it needs another flag, but I think that flag should be in
> port->flags as it is a property of the physical interface.
> 
> (Take a look at tty_port_open for example)
Okay I can add TTY_PORT_KOPENED to port->flags and that should work too.

However, can you please help me understand this:
Our use case requires kernel access to tty_struct and accordingly
tty_kopen returns tty_struct. The exclusivity between user and kernel
space is also meant to prevent one side from opening tty_struct while
another has it opened. In all this, it is tty_struct and not tty_port
which is the key resource we are concerned with. So shouldn't the
exclusivity flag belong to tty_struct?

Adding a the flag to port->flags but controlling it from code for
opening and closing tty will also mean we have tty_port_kopened,
tty_port_set_kopen etc inside tty open/close code.

Am I viewing this problem incorrectly?

Thanks,
Okash

  reply	other threads:[~2017-07-13 11:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-07-07 20:28 tty contention resulting from tty_open_by_device export Okash Khawaja
2017-07-08  8:38 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-07-08  9:01   ` Okash Khawaja
2017-07-09 11:41   ` [patch 0/3] " Okash Khawaja
2017-07-09 11:41     ` [patch 1/3] tty: resolve tty contention between kernel and user space Okash Khawaja
2017-07-09 11:51       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-07-09 15:04       ` Andy Shevchenko
2017-07-09 19:08         ` Okash Khawaja
2017-07-10  8:31         ` Okash Khawaja
2017-07-10 15:21           ` Andy Shevchenko
2017-07-10 16:12             ` Okash Khawaja
2017-07-09 11:41     ` [patch 2/3] staging: speakup: use tty_kopen instead of tty_open_by_driver Okash Khawaja
2017-07-09 11:50       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-07-09 12:28         ` Okash Khawaja
2017-07-09 11:41     ` [patch 3/3] tty: undo export " Okash Khawaja
2017-07-09 11:57     ` [patch 0/3] Re: tty contention resulting from tty_open_by_device export Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-07-09 12:32     ` [patch 4/3] tty: make tty_kopen return ENODEV in case of no TTY Okash Khawaja
2017-07-10 11:52     ` [patch 0/3] Re: tty contention resulting from tty_open_by_device export Alan Cox
2017-07-10 12:33       ` Okash Khawaja
2017-07-10 16:22         ` Okash Khawaja
2017-07-12 18:20         ` Alan Cox
2017-07-13 11:29           ` Okash Khawaja [this message]
2017-07-17 12:31             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-07-17 13:23               ` Okash Khawaja
2017-07-17 22:04                 ` Alan Cox
2017-07-18 11:29                   ` Okash Khawaja
2017-07-18 12:26                     ` Dan Carpenter
2017-07-18 19:22                       ` Okash Khawaja
2017-07-18 13:49                     ` Alan Cox
2017-07-20  7:22                       ` [patch v3 0/3] tty contention resulting from tty_open_by_driver export Okash Khawaja
2017-07-20  7:22                         ` [patch v3 1/3] tty: resolve tty contention between kernel and user space Okash Khawaja
2017-07-20  7:22                         ` [patch v3 2/3] staging: speakup: use tty_kopen and tty_kclose Okash Khawaja
2017-07-20  7:22                         ` [patch v3 3/3] tty: undo export of tty_open_by_driver Okash Khawaja
2017-07-17 21:04               ` [patch v2 0/3] tty contention resulting from tty_open_by_driver export Okash Khawaja
2017-07-17 21:04                 ` [patch v2 1/3] tty: resolve tty contention between kernel and user space Okash Khawaja
2017-07-17 21:04                 ` [patch v2 2/3] staging: speakup: use tty_kopen instead of tty_open_by_driver Okash Khawaja
2017-07-17 21:04                 ` [patch v2 3/3] tty: undo export " Okash Khawaja

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