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From: Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: "Li, Aubrey" <aubrey.li@linux.intel.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>, Aubrey Li <aubrey.li@intel.com>,
	tglx@linutronix.de, len.brown@intel.com, rjw@rjwysocki.net,
	tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com, arjan@linux.intel.com,
	paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, yang.zhang.wz@gmail.com,
	x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 08:53:56 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170714155356.GH3441@tassilo.jf.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170714153818.pjauqxebxyhs6ljp@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

> > -	if (cpuidle_not_available(drv, dev)) {
> > +	if (cpuidle_not_available(drv, dev) || this_is_a_fast_idle) {
> > 		default_idle_call();
> > 		goto exit_idle;
> > 	}
> 
> No, that's wrong. We want to fix the normal C state selection process to
> pick the right C state.
> 
> The fast-idle criteria could cut off a whole bunch of available C
> states. We need to understand why our current C state pick is wrong and
> amend the algorithm to do better. Not just bolt something on the side.

Fast idle uses the same predictor as the current C state governor.

The only difference is that it uses a different threshold for C1.
Likely that's the cause. If it was using the same threshold the
decision would be the same.

The thresholds are coming either from the tables in intel idle,
or from ACPI (let's assume the first)

That means either: the intel idle C1 threshold on the system Aubrey
tested on is too high, or the fast idle threshold is too low.

But that would be only true for the workload he tested.
It may well be that it's not that great for another.

The numbers in the standard intel_idle are reasonably tested
with many workloads, so I guess it would be safer to pick that one.
Unless someone wants to revisit these tables.

-Andi

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-07-14 15:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 114+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-07-10  1:38 [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Aubrey Li
2017-07-10  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH v1 01/11] sched/idle: create a fast " Aubrey Li
2017-07-10  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH v1 02/11] cpuidle: attach cpuidle governor statistics to the per-CPU device Aubrey Li
2017-07-10  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH v1 03/11] cpuidle: introduce cpuidle governor for idle prediction Aubrey Li
2017-07-12 12:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-10  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH v1 04/11] sched/idle: make the fast idle path for short idle periods Aubrey Li
2017-07-11 12:58   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-11 16:33     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2017-07-11 18:11       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-12  3:19         ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-12  5:03           ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-12  5:22             ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-12 12:19       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-10  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH v1 05/11] cpuidle: update idle statistics before cpuidle governor Aubrey Li
2017-07-10  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH v1 06/11] timers: keep sleep length updated as needed Aubrey Li
2017-07-10  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH v1 07/11] cpuidle: make idle residency update more generic Aubrey Li
2017-07-10  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH v1 08/11] cpuidle: menu: remove reduplicative implementation Aubrey Li
2017-07-10  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH v1 09/11] cpuidle: menu: feed cpuidle prediction to menu governor Aubrey Li
2017-07-10  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH v1 10/11] cpuidle: update cpuidle governor when needed Aubrey Li
2017-07-10  1:38 ` [RFC PATCH v1 11/11] sched/idle: Add a tuning knob to allow changing fast idle threshold Aubrey Li
2017-07-10  8:46 ` [RFC PATCH v1 00/11] Create fast idle path for short idle periods Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-10  9:29   ` Wanpeng Li
2017-07-10 13:59   ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-10 14:46   ` Andi Kleen
2017-07-10 16:42     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-10 17:27       ` Andi Kleen
2017-07-11  4:40         ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-11  9:41           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-11 16:09             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2017-07-11 16:34               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-11 18:09                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-12 11:54                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-12 15:56                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-12 17:46                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-12 18:53                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-12 19:00                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-19 13:43                       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2017-07-19 14:51                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-12 12:22                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-12 15:54                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-12 17:17                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-12 17:57                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-12 18:50                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-12 18:46                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-13  8:34                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-12  4:15                 ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-12  8:34                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-12 21:32                     ` Andi Kleen
2017-07-13  8:36                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-13 14:48                         ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-13 14:53                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-13 15:13                             ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-13 18:28                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-14  3:56                                 ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-14 15:38                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-14 15:52                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2017-07-14 15:58                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-14 16:03                                         ` Andi Kleen
2017-07-17  9:21                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-17 13:41                                             ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-14 15:53                                     ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2017-07-14 16:06                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-14 16:26                                         ` Andi Kleen
2017-07-17 19:23                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-17 19:27                                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2017-07-17 19:46                                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-07-17 19:51                                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2017-07-17 19:59                                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-07-17 19:48                                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2017-07-17 19:53                                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-07-17 19:55                                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2017-07-18  3:23                                               ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-18 18:55                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-18  3:14                                             ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-18  4:45                                               ` Andi Kleen
2017-07-18  6:43                                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-07-18  6:56                                                   ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-18 15:20                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-18 15:29                                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2017-07-18 16:36                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-18 16:37                                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2017-07-18 17:05                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-19  5:44                                                       ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-19 14:48                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-19 15:03                                                           ` Christopher Lameter
2017-07-19 16:54                                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-20  1:40                                                           ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-20 12:50                                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-20 13:45                                                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2017-07-20 14:19                                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-20 16:02                                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-18 16:45                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-18  6:59                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2017-07-18  7:19                                                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-07-19  6:12                                                       ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-19  7:55                                                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-07-20  1:56                                                           ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-20  8:11                                                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-07-20 13:48                                                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2017-07-18  7:24                                                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-07-18 13:23                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-19 13:43                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-13 15:20                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-14  3:47                               ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-14  4:05                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-17 13:24                                   ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-17 13:58                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-17 14:02                                       ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-12 12:14                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-11 17:58               ` Christoph Lameter
2017-07-12  2:07                 ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-12  2:35               ` Li, Aubrey
2017-07-12 18:10               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-11  9:02         ` Peter Zijlstra

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