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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@kernel.org,
	jiangshanlai@gmail.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com,
	josh@joshtriplett.org, tglx@linutronix.de, peterz@infradead.org,
	dhowells@redhat.com, edumazet@google.com, fweisbec@gmail.com,
	oleg@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH tip/core/rcu 02/15] rcu: Use timer as backstop for NOCB deferred wakeups
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 12:18:14 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170725191814.GU3730@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170725141220.4d2d968e@vmware.local.home>

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 02:12:20PM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Jul 2017 14:44:31 -0700
> "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
> > The handling of RCU's no-CBs CPUs has a maintenance headache, namely
> > that if call_rcu() is invoked with interrupts disabled, the rcuo kthread
> > wakeup must be defered to a point where we can be sure that scheduler
> > locks are not held.  Of course, there are a lot of code paths leading
> > from an interrupts-disabled invocation of call_rcu(), and missing any
> > one of these can result in excessive callback-invocation latency, and
> > potentially even system hangs.
> 
> What about using irq_work? That's what perf and ftrace use for such a
> case.

I hadn't looked at irq_work before, thank you for the pointer!

I nevertheless believe that timers work better in this particular case
because they can be cancelled (which appears to be the common case), they
normally are not at all time-critical, and because running in softirq
is just fine -- no need to run out of the scheduling-clock interrupt.

Seem reasonable?

							Thanx, Paul

> -- Steve
> 
> > 
> > This commit therefore uses a timer to guarantee that the wakeup will
> > eventually occur.  If one of the deferred-wakeup points kicks in, then
> > the timer is simply cancelled.
> > 
> > This commit also fixes up an incomplete removal of commits that were
> > intended to plug remaining exit paths, which should have the added
> > benefit of reducing the overhead of RCU's context-switch hooks.  In
> > addition, it simplifies leader-to-follower callback-list handoff by
> > introducing locking.  The call_rcu()-to-leader handoff continues to
> > use atomic operations in order to maintain good real-time latency for
> > common-case use of call_rcu().
> > 
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2017-07-25 19:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-07-24 21:44 [PATCH tip/core/rcu 0/15] General fixes Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-24 21:44 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 01/15] sched,rcu: Make cond_resched() provide RCU quiescent state Paul E. McKenney
2017-08-15 16:19   ` [PATCH v5 " Paul E. McKenney
2017-08-17  8:22     ` Ingo Molnar
2017-08-17 12:40       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-24 21:44 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 02/15] rcu: Use timer as backstop for NOCB deferred wakeups Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-25 18:12   ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-25 19:18     ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2017-07-25 22:17       ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-26  0:05         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-26 21:18           ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-26 21:47             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-26 23:09               ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-27 17:33                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-24 21:44 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 03/15] rcu: Drive TASKS_RCU directly off of PREEMPT Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-25 18:14   ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-25 19:19     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-24 21:44 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 04/15] rcu: Create reasonable API for do_exit() TASKS_RCU processing Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-24 21:44 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 05/15] rcu: Add TPS() to event-traced strings Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-28  1:32   ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-24 21:44 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 06/15] rcu: Move rcu.h to new trivial-function style Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-24 21:44 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 07/15] rcu: Add event tracing to ->gp_tasks update at GP start Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-28  1:38   ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-28  3:22     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-28 12:18       ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-28 17:13         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-24 21:44 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 08/15] swait: add idle variants which don't contribute to load average Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-24 21:44 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 09/15] rcu: use idle versions of swait to make idle-hack clear Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-24 21:44 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 10/15] rcu: Add TPS() protection for _rcu_barrier_trace strings Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-28  1:40   ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-24 21:44 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 11/15] rcu/tracing: Set disable_rcu_irq_enter on rcu_eqs_exit() Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-24 21:44 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 12/15] rcu: Add assertions verifying blocked-tasks list Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-24 21:44 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 13/15] rcu: Make rcu_idle_enter() rely on callers disabling irqs Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-24 21:44 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 14/15] rcu: Add warning to rcu_idle_enter() for irqs enabled Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-24 21:44 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 15/15] rcu: Remove exports from rcu_idle_exit() and rcu_idle_enter() Paul E. McKenney

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