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From: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, oleg@redhat.com,
	paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, mpe@ellerman.id.au,
	npiggin@gmail.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	mingo@kernel.org, stern@rowland.harvard.edu,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] mm: Rework {set,clear,mm}_tlb_flush_pending()
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 09:15:23 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170802081523.GB15219@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170802081106.kdl4grcb6sicqa3v@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Wed, Aug 02, 2017 at 10:11:06AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 02, 2017 at 11:23:12AM +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> > On Wed, 2017-08-02 at 00:59 +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > > PowerPC for example uses PTESYNC before the TBLIE, so does a SYNC after
> > > > work? Ben?
> > > > From what I gather it is not. You have TLBSYNC for it. So the good news
> > 
> > tlbsync is pretty much a nop these days. ptesync is a strict superset
> > of sync and we have it after every tlbie.
> 
> In the radix code, yes. I got lost going through the hash code, and I
> didn't look at the 32bit code at all.
> 
> So the radix code does:
> 
>  PTESYNC
>  TLBIE
>  EIEIO; TLBSYNC; PTESYNC
> 
> which should be completely ordered against anything prior and anything
> following, and is I think the behaviour we want from TLB flushes in
> general, but is very much not provided by a number of architectures
> afaict.
> 
> Ah, found the hash-64 code, yes that's good too. The hash32 code lives
> in asm and confuses me, it has a bunch of SYNC, SYNC_601 and isync in.
> The nohash variant seems to do a isync after tlbwe, but again no clue.
> 
> 
> Now, do I go and attempt fixing all that needs fixing?
> 
> 
> x86 is good, our CR3 writes or INVLPG stuff is fully serializing.
> 
> arm is good, it does DSB ISH before and after
> 
> arm64 looks good too, although it plays silly games with the first
> barrier, but I trust that to be sufficient.

The first barrier only orders prior stores for us, because page table
updates are made using stores. A prior load could be reordered past the
invalidation, but can't make it past the second barrier.

I really think we should avoid defining TLB invalidation in terms of
smp_mb() because it's a lot more subtle than that.

Will

  reply	other threads:[~2017-08-02  8:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-07 16:15 [RFC][PATCH 0/5] Getting rid of smp_mb__before_spinlock Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-07 16:15 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/5] mm: Rework {set,clear,mm}_tlb_flush_pending() Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-09 14:45   ` Will Deacon
2017-06-09 18:42     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-28 17:45     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-01 10:31       ` Will Deacon
2017-08-01 12:02         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-08-01 12:14           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-01 16:39             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-01 16:44               ` Will Deacon
2017-08-01 16:48                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-01 22:59                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-02  1:23                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-08-02  8:11                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-02  8:15                         ` Will Deacon [this message]
2017-08-02  8:43                           ` Will Deacon
2017-08-02  8:51                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-02  9:02                               ` Will Deacon
2017-08-02 22:54                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-08-02  8:45                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-02  9:02                             ` Will Deacon
2017-08-02  9:18                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-02 13:57                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-08-02 15:46                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-02  0:17                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-08-01 22:42             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-06-07 16:15 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/5] locking: Introduce smp_mb__after_spinlock() Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-07 16:15 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/5] overlayfs: Remove smp_mb__before_spinlock() usage Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-07 16:15 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/5] locking: Remove smp_mb__before_spinlock() Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-07 16:15 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/5] powerpc: Remove SYNC from _switch Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-08  0:32   ` Nicholas Piggin
2017-06-08  6:54     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-08  7:29       ` Nicholas Piggin
2017-06-08  7:57         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-08  8:21           ` Nicholas Piggin
2017-06-08  9:54           ` Michael Ellerman
2017-06-08 10:00             ` Nicholas Piggin
2017-06-08 12:45               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-08 13:18                 ` Nicholas Piggin
2017-06-08 13:47                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-09 14:49 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/5] Getting rid of smp_mb__before_spinlock Will Deacon

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