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From: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, oleg@redhat.com,
	paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, mpe@ellerman.id.au,
	npiggin@gmail.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	mingo@kernel.org, stern@rowland.harvard.edu,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/5] mm: Rework {set,clear,mm}_tlb_flush_pending()
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 10:02:21 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170802090220.GE15219@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170802085111.iupsx6s3hw42a52b@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Wed, Aug 02, 2017 at 10:51:11AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 02, 2017 at 09:43:50AM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 02, 2017 at 09:15:23AM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> 
> > > I really think we should avoid defining TLB invalidation in terms of
> > > smp_mb() because it's a lot more subtle than that.
> > 
> > Another worry I have here is with architectures that can optimise the
> > "only need to flush the local TLB" case. For example, this version of 'R':
> > 
> > 
> > P0:
> > WRITE_ONCE(x, 1);
> > smp_mb();
> > WRITE_ONCE(y, 1);
> > 
> > P1:
> > WRITE_ONCE(y, 2);
> > flush_tlb_range(...);  // Only needs to flush the local TLB
> > r0 = READ_ONCE(x);
> > 
> > 
> > It doesn't seem unreasonable to me for y==2 && r0==0 if the
> > flush_tlb_range(...) ends up only doing local invalidation. As a concrete
> > example, imagine a CPU with a page table walker that can snoop the local
> > store-buffer. Then, the local flush_tlb_range in P1 only needs to progress
> > the write to y as far as the store-buffer before it can invalidate the local
> > TLB. Once the TLB is invalidated, it can read x knowing that the translation
> > is up-to-date wrt the page table, but that read doesn't need to wait for
> > write to y to become visible to other CPUs.
> > 
> > So flush_tlb_range is actually weaker than smp_mb in some respects, yet the
> > flush_tlb_pending stuff will still work correctly.
> 
> So while I think you're right, and we could live with this, after all,
> if we know the mm is CPU local, there shouldn't be any SMP concerns wrt
> its page tables. Do you really want to make this more complicated?

It gives us a nice performance lift on arm64 and I have a patch...[1]

Will

[1]
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/will/linux.git/commit/?h=aarch64/devel&id=1c7cf53658f0fa16338d1f8406285ae28fd5f616

  reply	other threads:[~2017-08-02  9:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-07 16:15 [RFC][PATCH 0/5] Getting rid of smp_mb__before_spinlock Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-07 16:15 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/5] mm: Rework {set,clear,mm}_tlb_flush_pending() Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-09 14:45   ` Will Deacon
2017-06-09 18:42     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-28 17:45     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-01 10:31       ` Will Deacon
2017-08-01 12:02         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-08-01 12:14           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-01 16:39             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-01 16:44               ` Will Deacon
2017-08-01 16:48                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-01 22:59                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-02  1:23                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-08-02  8:11                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-02  8:15                         ` Will Deacon
2017-08-02  8:43                           ` Will Deacon
2017-08-02  8:51                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-02  9:02                               ` Will Deacon [this message]
2017-08-02 22:54                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-08-02  8:45                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-02  9:02                             ` Will Deacon
2017-08-02  9:18                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-02 13:57                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-08-02 15:46                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-02  0:17                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-08-01 22:42             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-06-07 16:15 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/5] locking: Introduce smp_mb__after_spinlock() Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-07 16:15 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/5] overlayfs: Remove smp_mb__before_spinlock() usage Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-07 16:15 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/5] locking: Remove smp_mb__before_spinlock() Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-07 16:15 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/5] powerpc: Remove SYNC from _switch Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-08  0:32   ` Nicholas Piggin
2017-06-08  6:54     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-08  7:29       ` Nicholas Piggin
2017-06-08  7:57         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-08  8:21           ` Nicholas Piggin
2017-06-08  9:54           ` Michael Ellerman
2017-06-08 10:00             ` Nicholas Piggin
2017-06-08 12:45               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-08 13:18                 ` Nicholas Piggin
2017-06-08 13:47                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-09 14:49 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/5] Getting rid of smp_mb__before_spinlock Will Deacon

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