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From: Byungchul Park <byungchul.park@lge.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Byungchul Park <max.byungchul.park@gmail.com>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	johannes.berg@intel.com, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	tglx@linutronix.de,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	kernel-team@lge.com
Subject: Re: [RFC] workqueue: remove manual lockdep uses to detect deadlocks
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 10:53:39 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170830015338.GD3240@X58A-UD3R> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170829185727.GY32112@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 08:57:27PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 12:49:26AM +0900, Byungchul Park wrote:
> > > However, how would it distinguish things like flushing another work
> > 
> > I think it must be distinguished with what it actually waits for, e.i.
> > completion
> > variables instead of work or wq. I will make it next week and let you know.
> 
> So no. The existing annotations are strictly better than relying on
> cross-release.

Thank you for exaplanation but, as I already said, this is why I said
"I don't think it's the same level currently. But, I can make it with
some modification." to TJ:

https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org/msg1479560.html

And also I mentioned we might need the current code inevitably but, the
existing annotations are never good and why here:

https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org/msg1480173.html

> As you know the problem with cross-release is that it is timing
> dependent. You need to actually observe the problematic sequence before
> it can warn, and only the whole instance->class mapping saves us from
> actually hitting the deadlock.

Of course.

> The same would be true for using cross-release for workqueues as well,
> something like:
> 
> 					W:
> 					mutex_lock(A)
> 
> 	mutex_lock(A)
> 	flush_work(W)
> 
> would go unreported whereas the current workqueue annotation will
> generate a splat.

Of course.

That's why I said we need to work on it. But it should be modified so
that the wq code becomes more clear instead of abusing weird acquire()s.

  reply	other threads:[~2017-08-30  1:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-25  8:41 [RFC] workqueue: remove manual lockdep uses to detect deadlocks Byungchul Park
2017-08-25  8:52 ` Byungchul Park
2017-08-25 13:34 ` Tejun Heo
2017-08-25 15:49   ` Byungchul Park
2017-08-29 18:57     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-30  1:53       ` Byungchul Park [this message]
2017-08-30  6:23         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-29  0:23   ` Byungchul Park
2017-08-28  6:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-28 10:53   ` Byungchul Park
2017-08-29  0:55   ` Byungchul Park

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