From: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk, luc.maranget@inria.fr,
parri.andrea@gmail.com, stern@rowland.harvard.edu,
dhowells@redhat.com, peterz@infradead.org, will.deacon@arm.com,
npiggin@gmail.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Memory-ordering recipes
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 15:52:42 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170918015353.GA15440@tardis> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170917230509.GA21394@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
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On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 04:05:09PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> Hello!
>
Hi Paul,
> The topic of memory-ordering recipes came up at the Linux Plumbers
> Conference microconference on Friday, so I thought that I should summarize
> what is currently "out there":
>
> 1. memory-barriers.txt: A bit rambling and diffuse for a recipes
> document.
>
> 2. https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/LWNLinuxMM/Examples.html
> Many of the examples are on-point, but this is aimed more
> at understanding the memory model than at an organized set
> of recipes.
>
> 3. https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/LWNLinuxMM/Examples.html
Duplicate links ;-) This should a link to some slides?
> Slides 15-20. Again, some of the litmus tests are on-point,
> but the focus is more on understanding the memory model than on
> an organized set of recipes.
>
> So what litmus tests are needed? Here is my initial set:
>
> 1. Release-acquire chains, AKA ISA2, Z6.2, LB, and 3.LB
>
> Lots of variety here, can in some cases substitute:
>
> a. READ_ONCE() for smp_load_acquire()
> b. WRITE_ONCE() for smp_store_release()
> c. Dependencies for both smp_load_acquire() and
> smp_store_release().
> d. smp_wmb() for smp_store_release() in first thread
> of ISA2 and Z6.2.
> e. smp_rmb() for smp_load_acquire() in last thread of ISA2.
>
> 2. MP (see test6.pdf for nickname translation)
>
> a. smp_store_release() / smp_load_acquire()
> b. rcu_assign_pointer() / rcu_dereference()
> c. smp_wmb() / smp_rmb()
> d. Replacing either of the above with smp_mb()
>
> 3. SB
>
> a. smp_mb(), as in lockless wait-wakeup coordination.
> And as in sys_membarrier()-scheduler coordination,
> for that matter.
b. replace smp_mb() with smp_mb__before_atomic() followed
by a _relaxed cmpchg? As in pv_kick_node():
https://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=150274124711012
Besides, do we also want to add Co* into the set? I think there may be
some people still confused to think per-loc SC is not held, and they may
add unnecessary barriers in their code. Those (Co*) recipes could serve
as a guide for state-machine style programming. Thoughts?
Regards,
Boqun
>
> Others?
>
> Thanx, Paul
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-09-18 7:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-09-17 23:05 Memory-ordering recipes Paul E. McKenney
2017-09-18 7:52 ` Boqun Feng [this message]
2017-09-18 14:25 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-09-19 2:00 ` Boqun Feng
2017-09-21 12:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-09-21 15:26 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-09-21 16:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-09-21 16:40 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-09-22 9:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-09-22 21:06 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-17 21:01 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-18 1:07 ` Andrea Parri
2017-10-18 20:48 ` Paul E. McKenney
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