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From: Darren Hart <dvhart@infradead.org>
To: Mario.Limonciello@dell.com
Cc: andy.shevchenko@gmail.com, pali.rohar@gmail.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org, quasisec@google.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 11/12] platform/x86: dell-wmi-smbios: introduce character device for userspace
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 09:59:36 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170927165936.GF23572@fury> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <23b3029bac144f17bd3a68a13cfe9cf4@ausx13mpc120.AMER.DELL.COM>

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 05:46:54PM +0000, Mario.Limonciello@dell.com wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andy Shevchenko [mailto:andy.shevchenko@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 12:58 PM
> > To: Pali Rohár <pali.rohar@gmail.com>
> > Cc: Limonciello, Mario <Mario_Limonciello@Dell.com>; dvhart@infradead.org;
> > LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>; Platform Driver <platform-driver-
> > x86@vger.kernel.org>; quasisec@google.com
> > Subject: Re: [PATCH 11/12] platform/x86: dell-wmi-smbios: introduce character
> > device for userspace
> > 
> > On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Pali Rohár <pali.rohar@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Thursday 21 September 2017 08:57:16 Mario Limonciello wrote:
> > >> This userspace character device will be used to perform SMBIOS calls
> > >> from any applications sending a properly formatted 4k calling interface
> > >> buffer.
> > >>
> > >> This character device is intended to deprecate the dcdbas kernel module
> > >> and the interface that it provides to userspace.
> > >>
> > >> It's important for the driver to provide a R/W ioctl to ensure that
> > >> two competing userspace processes don't race to provide or read each
> > >> others data.
> > 
> > >> +What:                /dev/wmi-dell-wmi-smbios
> > >
> > > What about just /dev/dell-smbios? IOCTL provided here is just SMBIOS
> > > related and I think userspace does not have to care if it is via WMI or
> > > direct SMM mode... Important is that it provides character device for
> > > SMBIOS API and not how it is implemented.

I agree with this point, the implementation (WMI under the covers) is
not relevant. That said, this is an example of exposing WMI
functionality to userspace, and I DO NOT want to have a naming
discussion for every single WMI GUID that we choose to expose.

> > >
> > > Anyway, Darren, Andy, do we have some convention for naming platform
> > > character devices?
> > 
> > For me, looking to this case, seems better to expose a folder like
> > /dev/smbios/
> > with actual vendor device nodes inside like
> > /dev/smbios/dell
> 
> I disagree with this.  Dell exposes smbios calling in this kernel interface but
> other vendor drivers may also expose different methods for character devices
> that are not SMBIOS.
> 
> I'm envisioning that this is just the first kernel module that will use a WMI
> character device to userspace.  That's why I wanted to use a generic namespace.
> 
> I would say it could be /dev/wmi-$GUID or /dev/wmi/$driver-$GUID if you want 
> something more generic.
> As long as it's discovereable from uevent that's fine to me.
> 
> > 
> > Darren?

I would like to see an automated and definiitive way to export WMI
GUIDs. Something we can look at, compare to a set of rules, and say
yay/nay. From that perspective, I like Mario's general proposal. It is
not clear to me if the $driver- prefix adds any value though - would we
ever have need of DRIVER_X-GUID_A and DRIVER_Y-GUID_A ??? I'm thinking
not.

/dev/wmi/$GUID

-- 
Darren Hart
VMware Open Source Technology Center

  reply	other threads:[~2017-09-27 16:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-09-21 13:57 [PATCH 00/12] Introduce support for Dell SMBIOS over WMI Mario Limonciello
2017-09-21 13:57 ` [PATCH 01/12] platform/x86: dell-wmi: label driver as handling notifications Mario Limonciello
2017-09-25 16:04   ` Pali Rohár
2017-09-25 20:14     ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-09-27 15:43       ` Darren Hart
2017-09-21 13:57 ` [PATCH 02/12] platform/x86: dell-wmi: Don't match on descriptor GUID modalias Mario Limonciello
2017-09-25 16:06   ` Pali Rohár
2017-09-21 13:57 ` [PATCH 03/12] platform/x86: dell-smbios: Add pr_fmt definition to driver Mario Limonciello
2017-09-21 16:22   ` Andy Shevchenko
2017-09-25 16:07   ` Pali Rohár
2017-09-21 13:57 ` [PATCH 04/12] platform/x86: dell-smbios: Switch to a WMI-ACPI interface Mario Limonciello
2017-09-25 16:18   ` Pali Rohár
2017-09-25 19:28     ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-09-27 16:46       ` Darren Hart
2017-09-27 18:29         ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-09-27 19:47   ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-09-27 21:15     ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-09-21 13:57 ` [PATCH 05/12] platform/x86: dell-smbios: rename to dell-wmi-smbios Mario Limonciello
2017-09-21 13:57 ` [PATCH 06/12] platform/x86: dell-wmi-smbios: Add a sysfs interface for SMBIOS tokens Mario Limonciello
2017-09-25 16:23   ` Pali Rohár
2017-09-25 17:04     ` Andy Shevchenko
2017-09-25 17:31       ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-09-27 16:50         ` Darren Hart
2017-09-27 18:27           ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-09-27 18:31             ` Andy Shevchenko
2017-09-27 18:55               ` Darren Hart
2017-09-27 19:49                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-09-27 19:50                   ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-09-21 13:57 ` [PATCH 07/12] platform/x86: dell-wmi-smbios: Use Dell WMI descriptor check Mario Limonciello
2017-09-21 16:44   ` Andy Shevchenko
2017-09-21 20:56     ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-09-21 13:57 ` [PATCH 08/12] platform/x86: wmi: Cleanup exit routine in reverse order of init Mario Limonciello
2017-09-21 13:57 ` [PATCH 09/12] platform/x86: wmi: create character devices when requested by drivers Mario Limonciello
2017-09-21 16:46   ` Andy Shevchenko
2017-09-21 19:21     ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-09-21 13:57 ` [PATCH 10/12] platform/x86: wmi: destroy on cleanup rather than unregister Mario Limonciello
2017-09-21 13:57 ` [PATCH 11/12] platform/x86: dell-wmi-smbios: introduce character device for userspace Mario Limonciello
2017-09-25 16:31   ` Pali Rohár
2017-09-25 16:58     ` Andy Shevchenko
2017-09-25 17:46       ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-09-27 16:59         ` Darren Hart [this message]
2017-09-27 18:10           ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-09-27 18:50             ` Darren Hart
2017-09-27 21:12               ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-09-27 21:59                 ` Darren Hart
2017-09-21 13:57 ` [PATCH 12/12] platform/x86: Kconfig: Change the default settings for dell-wmi-smbios Mario Limonciello
2017-09-25 16:13 ` [PATCH 00/12] Introduce support for Dell SMBIOS over WMI Pali Rohár
2017-09-25 16:32   ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-09-25 16:49     ` Pali Rohár
2017-09-25 19:27       ` Mario.Limonciello
2017-09-27 16:39         ` Darren Hart

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