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From: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, ynorov@caviumnetworks.com,
	rruigrok@codeaurora.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, catalin.marinas@arm.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/2] arm64: mm: Use READ_ONCE/WRITE_ONCE when accessing page tables
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 09:45:35 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170928084535.GA19060@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170928083801.m6rb4frbbgzgam2o@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 10:38:01AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 04:49:28PM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> > In many cases, page tables can be accessed concurrently by either another
> > CPU (due to things like fast gup) or by the hardware page table walker
> > itself, which may set access/dirty bits. In such cases, it is important
> > to use READ_ONCE/WRITE_ONCE when accessing page table entries so that
> > entries cannot be torn, merged or subject to apparent loss of coherence.
> 
> In fact, we should use lockless_dereference() for many of them. Yes
> Alpha is the only one that cares about the difference between that and
> READ_ONCE() and they do have the extra barrier, but if we're going to do
> this, we might as well do it 'right' :-)

I know this sounds daft, but I think one of the big reasons why
lockless_dereference() doesn't get an awful lot of use is because it's
such a mouthful! Why don't we just move the smp_read_barrier_depends()
into READ_ONCE? Would anybody actually care about the potential impact on
Alpha (which, frankly, is treading on thin ice given the low adoption of
lockless_dereference())?

> Also, a very long standing item on my TODO list is to see how much of it
> we can unify across the various architectures, because there's a giant
> amount of boiler plate involved with all this.

Yeah, I'd be happy to help with that as a separate series. I already tripped
over 5 or 6 page table walkers in arch/arm64/ alone :(

Will

  reply	other threads:[~2017-09-28  8:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-09-27 15:49 [RFC PATCH 0/2] Missing READ_ONCE in core and arch-specific pgtable code leading to crashes Will Deacon
2017-09-27 15:49 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] arm64: mm: Use READ_ONCE/WRITE_ONCE when accessing page tables Will Deacon
2017-09-28  8:38   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-09-28  8:45     ` Will Deacon [this message]
2017-09-28 15:43       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-09-28 15:49         ` Will Deacon
2017-09-28 16:07           ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-09-28 18:59         ` Michael Cree
2017-09-29  0:58           ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-09-29  9:08             ` Will Deacon
2017-09-29 16:29               ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-09-29 16:33                 ` Will Deacon
2017-10-03 19:11                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-05 16:31                     ` Will Deacon
2017-10-05 19:22                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-05 19:31                       ` Andrea Parri
2017-10-05 20:09                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-09-28 19:18   ` Timur Tabi
2017-09-27 15:49 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] mm: page_vma_mapped: Ensure pmd is loaded with READ_ONCE outside of lock Will Deacon
2017-09-27 22:01 ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] Missing READ_ONCE in core and arch-specific pgtable code leading to crashes Yury Norov
2017-09-28 17:30 ` Richard Ruigrok
2017-09-28 19:38 ` Jon Masters
2017-09-29  8:56   ` Will Deacon
2017-10-03  6:36     ` Jon Masters
2017-10-05 16:54       ` Will Deacon

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