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From: Ricardo Neri <ricardo.neri-calderon@linux.intel.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Denys Vlasenko <dvlasenk@redhat.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Anvin <hpa@zytor.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@suse.de>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	Fenghua Yu <fenghua.yu@intel.com>,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>, Brian Gerst <brgerst@gmail.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Ravi V. Shankar" <ravi.v.shankar@intel.com>,
	Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@mellanox.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Paul Gortmaker <paul.gortmaker@windriver.com>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
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	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Chen Yucong <slaoub@gmail.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.cz>, Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"linux-tip-commits@vger.kernel.org" 
	<linux-tip-commits@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [tip:x86/asm] x86/umip: Add emulation code for UMIP instructions
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 22:17:39 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171109061739.GF30507@voyager> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <dd612f93-1e21-ed53-4955-f753fbf0aa55@redhat.com>

On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 06:14:12PM +0100, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> On 08/11/2017 18:09, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
> > On 11/08/2017 05:57 PM, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> >> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 8:53 AM, Denys Vlasenko <dvlasenk@redhat.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>> We can postpone enabling UMIP by default by a year or so.
> >>> By this time, new Wine will be on majority of users' machines.
> >>
> >> So you are suggesting we run unnecessarily insecure, only in order to
> >> not do the emulation that we already have the code for and that the
> >> patch implements?
> > 
> > We ran insecure in this way for ~25 years.
> > 
> >> Why?
> > 
> > To avoid having to maintain more obscure, rarely executed code.
> 
> As a start, you could propose a patch to disable the emulation code
> through a sysctl or Kconfig symbol.  I would be surprised if it takes
> more time than what you've spent writing emails in this thread.

Indeed, Andy Lutomirski suggested something similar in the past, but as a
separate series [1].

Plus, the Wine team was also interested in receiving the SIGSEGV that UMIP
would generate, but also acknowledged that it would break existing
versions[2].

Thanks and BR,
Ricardo

[1]. https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/3/8/735
[2]. https://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2016-November/115321.html

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-11-09  6:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-06  2:27 [PATCH v11 00/12] x86: Enable User-Mode Instruction Prevention Ricardo Neri
2017-11-06  2:27 ` [PATCH v11 01/12] x86/insn-eval: Compute linear address in several utility functions Ricardo Neri
2017-11-08 10:57   ` [tip:x86/asm] " tip-bot for Ricardo Neri
2017-11-06  2:27 ` [PATCH v11 02/12] x86/insn-eval: Add support to resolve 32-bit address encodings Ricardo Neri
2017-11-08 10:58   ` [tip:x86/asm] " tip-bot for Ricardo Neri
2017-11-06  2:27 ` [PATCH v11 03/12] x86/insn-eval: Add wrapper function for 32 and 64-bit addresses Ricardo Neri
2017-11-08 10:58   ` [tip:x86/asm] " tip-bot for Ricardo Neri
2017-11-06  2:27 ` [PATCH v11 04/12] x86/insn-eval: Handle 32-bit address encodings in virtual-8086 mode Ricardo Neri
2017-11-08 10:59   ` [tip:x86/asm] " tip-bot for Ricardo Neri
2017-11-06  2:27 ` [PATCH v11 05/12] x86/insn-eval: Add support to resolve 16-bit address encodings Ricardo Neri
2017-11-08 10:59   ` [tip:x86/asm] " tip-bot for Ricardo Neri
2017-11-06  2:27 ` [PATCH v11 06/12] x86/cpufeature: Add User-Mode Instruction Prevention definitions Ricardo Neri
2017-11-08 10:59   ` [tip:x86/asm] " tip-bot for Ricardo Neri
2017-11-06  2:27 ` [PATCH v11 07/12] x86: Add emulation code for UMIP instructions Ricardo Neri
2017-11-08 11:00   ` [tip:x86/asm] x86/umip: " tip-bot for Ricardo Neri
2017-11-08 16:14     ` Denys Vlasenko
2017-11-08 16:34       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-08 16:38         ` H. Peter Anvin
2017-11-08 16:53         ` Denys Vlasenko
2017-11-08 16:57           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-08 17:09             ` Denys Vlasenko
2017-11-08 17:14               ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-11-08 17:24                 ` Denys Vlasenko
2017-11-09  6:17                 ` Ricardo Neri [this message]
2017-11-08 17:24           ` Alan Cox
2017-11-09  6:13         ` Ricardo Neri
2017-11-09  6:11       ` Ricardo Neri
2017-11-06  2:27 ` [PATCH v11 08/12] x86/umip: Force a page fault when unable to copy emulated result to user Ricardo Neri
2017-11-08 11:00   ` [tip:x86/asm] " tip-bot for Ricardo Neri
2017-11-06  2:27 ` [PATCH v11 09/12] x86: Enable User-Mode Instruction Prevention at runtime Ricardo Neri
2017-11-08  9:52   ` Ingo Molnar
2017-11-09  5:51     ` Ricardo Neri
2017-11-08 11:01   ` [tip:x86/asm] x86/umip: " tip-bot for Ricardo Neri
2017-11-06  2:27 ` [PATCH v11 10/12] x86/traps: Fixup general protection faults caused by UMIP Ricardo Neri
2017-11-08 11:01   ` [tip:x86/asm] x86/traps: Fix up " tip-bot for Ricardo Neri
2017-11-06  2:27 ` [PATCH v11 11/12] selftests/x86: Add tests for User-Mode Instruction Prevention Ricardo Neri
2017-11-08 11:02   ` [tip:x86/asm] " tip-bot for Ricardo Neri
2017-11-06  2:27 ` [PATCH v11 12/12] selftests/x86: Add tests for instruction str and sldt Ricardo Neri
2017-11-08 11:02   ` [tip:x86/asm] selftests/x86: Add tests for the STR and SLDT instructions tip-bot for Ricardo Neri
2017-11-08 10:00 ` [PATCH v11 00/12] x86: Enable User-Mode Instruction Prevention Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-09  5:46   ` Ricardo Neri

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