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From: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Sebastian Ott <sebott@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [bisected] system hang after boot
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 11:49:48 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171127114947.GA30679@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171122202217.GO3326@worktop>

Hi Peter,

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 09:22:17PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 06:26:59PM +0000, Will Deacon wrote:
> 
> > Now, I can't see what the break_lock is doing here other than causing
> > problems. Is there a good reason for it, or can you just try removing it
> > altogether? Patch below.
> 
> The main use is spin_is_contended(), which in turn ends up used in
> __cond_resched_lock() through spin_needbreak().
> 
> This allows better lock wait times for PREEMPT kernels on platforms
> where the lock implementation itself cannot provide 'contended' state.
> 
> In that capacity the write-write race shouldn't be a problem though.

I'm not sure why it isn't a problem: given that the break_lock variable
can read as 1 for a lock that is no longer contended and 0 for a lock that
is currently contended, then the __cond_resched_lock is likely to see a
value of 0 (i.e. spin_needbreak always return false) more often than no
since it's checked by the lock holder.

> That said, I'd not be horribly sad to see this go, I've always found it
> to be quite the ugly hack and taking it out should provide some
> incentive for better lock implementations for the archs relying on this.

Right, and they can always implement arch_spin_is_contended if they have
a good way to do it.

I'll post this diff as a full patch, since it's clearly needed to get some
s390 systems booting against with 4.15.

Will

  reply	other threads:[~2017-11-27 11:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-22 17:46 [bisected] system hang after boot Sebastian Ott
2017-11-22 18:26 ` Will Deacon
2017-11-22 18:54   ` Sebastian Ott
2017-11-22 19:10     ` Will Deacon
2017-11-22 20:22   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-11-27 11:49     ` Will Deacon [this message]
2017-11-27 12:45       ` Will Deacon
2017-11-27 13:05         ` Sebastian Ott
2017-11-27 12:49       ` Martin Schwidefsky
2017-11-27 12:54         ` Will Deacon
2017-11-27 13:00           ` Martin Schwidefsky
2017-11-27 13:10             ` Will Deacon
2017-11-27 13:13               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-11-27 13:12             ` Peter Zijlstra

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