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From: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Daniel Lustig <dlustig@nvidia.com>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Andrea Parri <parri.andrea@gmail.com>,
	Luc Maranget <luc.maranget@inria.fr>,
	Jade Alglave <j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
	Kernel development list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Unlock-lock questions and the Linux Kernel Memory Model
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 10:02:20 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171130100219.GA21983@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171129194602.6zmjj7z5ih4ri25h@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 08:46:02PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 11:04:53AM -0800, Daniel Lustig wrote:
> 
> > While we're here, let me ask about another test which isn't directly
> > about unlock/lock but which is still somewhat related to this
> > discussion:
> > 
> > "MP+wmb+xchg-acq" (or some such)
> > 
> > {}
> > 
> > P0(int *x, int *y)
> > {
> >         WRITE_ONCE(*x, 1);
> >         smp_wmb();
> >         WRITE_ONCE(*y, 1);
> > }
> > 
> > P1(int *x, int *y)
> > {
> >         r1 = atomic_xchg_relaxed(y, 2);
> >         r2 = smp_load_acquire(y);
> >         r3 = READ_ONCE(*x);
> > }
> > 
> > exists (1:r1=1 /\ 1:r2=2 /\ 1:r3=0)
> > 
> > C/C++ would call the atomic_xchg_relaxed part of a release sequence
> > and hence would forbid this outcome.
> 
> That's just weird. Either its _relaxed, or its _release. Making _relaxed
> mean _release is just daft.

I don't think it's actually that weird. If, for example, the write to *y in
P0 was part of an UNLOCK operation and the load_acquire of y in P1 was a
LOCK operation, then the xchg could just be setting some waiting bit in
other bits of the lock word. C/C++ also requires order here if the xchg is
done on its own thread.

Will

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-11-30 10:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <4118cdbe-c396-08b9-a3e3-a0a6491b82fa@nvidia.com>
2017-11-27 21:16 ` Unlock-lock questions and the Linux Kernel Memory Model Alan Stern
2017-11-27 23:28   ` Daniel Lustig
2017-11-28  9:44     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-11-28  9:58   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-11-29 19:04   ` Daniel Lustig
2017-11-29 19:33     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-11-29 19:44     ` Alan Stern
2017-11-30  8:55       ` Boqun Feng
2017-11-30  9:15         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-11-30 15:46         ` Alan Stern
2017-12-01  2:46           ` Boqun Feng
2017-12-01 15:32             ` Alan Stern
2017-12-01 16:17               ` Daniel Lustig
2017-12-01 16:24                 ` Will Deacon
2017-12-01 17:18                 ` Alan Stern
2017-11-29 19:46     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-11-29 19:53       ` Alan Stern
2017-11-29 20:42         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-11-29 22:18           ` Daniel Lustig
2017-11-29 22:59             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-11-30 15:20             ` Alan Stern
2017-11-30 16:14               ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-11-30 16:25                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-11-30 16:39                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-11-30 16:41                 ` Will Deacon
2017-11-30 16:54                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-11-30 17:04                     ` Will Deacon
2017-11-30 17:56                     ` Alan Stern
2017-11-30 10:02       ` Will Deacon [this message]
2017-11-29 19:58     ` Peter Zijlstra

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