From: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
To: "Van De Ven, Arjan" <arjan.van.de.ven@intel.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
"Hansen, Dave" <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] IBRS patch series
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 16:03:40 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180105150340.GJ26807@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0575AF4FD06DD142AD198903C74E1CC87A56B34E@ORSMSX103.amr.corp.intel.com>
On Fri, Jan 05, 2018 at 02:52:33PM +0000, Van De Ven, Arjan wrote:
> I'm sorry but your whole statement reeks a little bit of "perfect is the enemy of good"
My point is exactly that this sentences could apply to spectre
variant#2 in the first place..
If we start moving in any direction, either we reach "perfection" or
moving towards perfection and still being in "perfect is the enemy of
good" territory doesn't sound great to me.
The reptoline status with 3 way " IBRS skylake mode" or " 2way
reptoline code emission from gcc for older CPUs or CPUs without
SPEC_CTRL" plus IBRS forced still to be used around all
firmware/bios/SMM (how do you do IBRS on those CPUS without IBRS, that
requires yet another IBPB alternative combined with AMD reptoline
case) is far from a "less is more" or KISS.
This whole reptoline work is total waste for future silicon so I like
to keep it simple and obviously mathematically safe at the same
time... and also easy to activate for full math safe qemu ibrs 2 mode
without having to do a 2-way reptoline gcc code emission and dynamic
patching on qemu startup.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-01-05 15:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 114+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-01-04 17:56 [PATCH 0/7] IBRS patch series Tim Chen
2018-01-04 17:56 ` [PATCH 1/7] x86/feature: Detect the x86 feature to control Speculation Tim Chen
2018-01-04 19:58 ` Greg KH
2018-01-04 20:47 ` Tim Chen
2018-01-05 11:14 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-05 15:14 ` Tom Lendacky
2018-01-05 17:07 ` Tim Chen
2018-01-05 13:09 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-05 13:44 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-05 13:51 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-04 17:56 ` [PATCH 2/7] x86/enter: MACROS to set/clear IBRS Tim Chen
2018-01-04 22:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-04 22:21 ` Tim Chen
2018-01-04 22:23 ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-05 4:54 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-05 5:05 ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-05 13:19 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-04 17:56 ` [PATCH 3/7] x86/enter: Use IBRS on syscall and interrupts Tim Chen
2018-01-04 20:00 ` Greg KH
2018-01-04 20:26 ` Tim Chen
2018-01-04 20:45 ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-04 22:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-04 23:12 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-05 0:08 ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-05 4:51 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-05 5:11 ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-05 12:01 ` Alan Cox
2018-01-05 13:35 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-04 17:56 ` [PATCH 4/7] x86/idle: Disable IBRS entering idle and enable it on wakeup Tim Chen
2018-01-04 22:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-04 23:00 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-04 23:22 ` Tim Chen
2018-01-04 23:42 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-04 23:45 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-05 0:03 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-08 8:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-04 17:56 ` [PATCH 5/7] x86: Use IBRS for firmware update path Tim Chen
2018-01-04 18:48 ` Alan Cox
2018-01-04 20:05 ` Greg KH
2018-01-04 20:08 ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-05 16:08 ` gregkh
2018-01-05 16:37 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-04 20:21 ` Andrew Cooper
2018-01-04 20:48 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-04 20:51 ` Yves-Alexis Perez
2018-01-04 21:13 ` Tim Chen
2018-01-04 22:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-05 13:40 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-04 17:56 ` [PATCH 6/7] x86/spec_ctrl: Add sysctl knobs to enable/disable SPEC_CTRL feature Tim Chen
2018-01-04 18:33 ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-04 18:36 ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-04 18:52 ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-04 18:57 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-04 18:59 ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-04 19:06 ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-05 13:48 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-04 18:38 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-04 18:54 ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-04 18:56 ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-04 18:55 ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-04 18:34 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-04 19:02 ` Tim Chen
2018-01-04 18:50 ` Alan Cox
2018-01-04 20:16 ` Greg KH
2018-01-04 20:58 ` Tim Chen
2018-01-04 22:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-04 23:26 ` Tim Chen
2018-01-04 23:51 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-04 23:59 ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-05 0:07 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-05 11:16 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-06 1:29 ` Tim Chen
2018-01-04 17:56 ` [PATCH 7/7] x86/microcode: Recheck IBRS features on microcode reload Tim Chen
2018-01-04 18:28 ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-04 18:34 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-04 18:50 ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-04 19:10 ` Tim Chen
2018-01-05 13:32 ` Greg KH
2018-01-05 13:37 ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-05 13:47 ` Greg KH
2018-01-05 15:28 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-04 19:00 ` [PATCH 0/7] IBRS patch series Linus Torvalds
2018-01-04 19:19 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-04 19:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-04 19:39 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-04 19:40 ` Andrew Cooper
2018-01-04 19:46 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-04 21:22 ` Van De Ven, Arjan
2018-01-05 11:32 ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-01-05 12:09 ` Paul Turner
2018-01-05 14:45 ` Van De Ven, Arjan
2018-01-05 14:43 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-05 14:52 ` Van De Ven, Arjan
2018-01-05 15:03 ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2018-01-05 14:54 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-05 11:52 ` Paul Turner
2018-01-05 14:28 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-05 14:42 ` Van De Ven, Arjan
2018-01-05 15:38 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-05 16:05 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-05 16:37 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-05 16:42 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-05 16:44 ` Van De Ven, Arjan
2018-01-05 16:46 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-05 5:25 ` Florian Weimer
2018-01-05 11:05 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-04 19:05 ` Justin Forbes
2018-01-04 19:10 ` Tim Chen
2018-01-04 21:01 ` Yves-Alexis Perez
2018-01-05 13:28 ` Greg KH
2018-01-05 13:47 ` Yves-Alexis Perez
2018-01-05 14:01 ` Greg KH
2018-01-05 14:26 ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-01-05 14:54 ` Yves-Alexis Perez
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