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From: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
To: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	Arjan Van De Ven <arjan.van.de.ven@intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 7/7] x86/microcode: Recheck IBRS features on microcode reload
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 16:28:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180105152817.GM26807@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180105133217.GB12036@kroah.com>

Hello everyone,

On Fri, Jan 05, 2018 at 02:32:17PM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 04, 2018 at 07:50:33PM +0100, Borislav Petkov wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 04, 2018 at 07:34:30PM +0100, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> > > void spec_ctrl_rescan_cpuid(void)
> > > {
> > > 	int cpu;
> > > 
> > > 	if (use_ibp_disable)
> > > 		return;
> > > 	mutex_lock(&spec_ctrl_mutex);
> > > 	if (boot_cpu_data.x86_vendor == X86_VENDOR_INTEL ||
> > > 	    boot_cpu_data.x86_vendor == X86_VENDOR_AMD) {
> > > 		/* detect spec ctrl related cpuid additions */
> > > 		init_scattered_cpuid_features(&boot_cpu_data);
> > 
> > You don't need to noodle through all the scattered features - just the
> > two bits.
> 
> Does it really matter?  Rescanning everything can't hurt here, and it
> shouldn't be noticable in any boot time chart.  I feel like arguing
> about tiny stuff like this takes away from the obvious other problems
> this whole patch series had :(

Yes IMHO it's not worth trying to filter those two bits, sharing the
same function looked much cleaner.

It always helps to get patches to perfection so reviews welcome, but
IMHO the best way forward is to release a kernel with PTI then in rc1
of the next apply ibrs ibpb solution for variant#2 in whatever shape
and form (not necessarily immediately hyper optimized using static key
for the entry code branching or static_cpu_has for once), so that it
activates the microcode IBRS IBPB. Then we can optimize it in rc2 and
later.

About reptoline, I think all reptoline talk it's a waste of time right
now. Reptoline is an attempt to optimize for old CPUs only, it's
hugely more complex to implement and deploy, and for future silicon
it's useless. Even reptoline still requires IBRS and some CPU has no
ibrs so it'd require yet another alternative there and repotline can't
fix skylake anyway, reptoline requires new gcc code that doesn't even
exist today to do a 2-way code emission with 2 different reptolines
for different CPUS with no kernel code that exists that can reconcile
it at boot time to patch it. There's no way to runtime disable it
after applied, and AMD fam 0x10 0x12 0x16 also wouldn't get any
benefit reptoline either, not just skylake wouldn't use it.

Thanks,
Andrea

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-01-05 15:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 114+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-04 17:56 [PATCH 0/7] IBRS patch series Tim Chen
2018-01-04 17:56 ` [PATCH 1/7] x86/feature: Detect the x86 feature to control Speculation Tim Chen
2018-01-04 19:58   ` Greg KH
2018-01-04 20:47     ` Tim Chen
2018-01-05 11:14   ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-05 15:14     ` Tom Lendacky
2018-01-05 17:07       ` Tim Chen
2018-01-05 13:09   ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-05 13:44     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-05 13:51       ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-04 17:56 ` [PATCH 2/7] x86/enter: MACROS to set/clear IBRS Tim Chen
2018-01-04 22:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-04 22:21     ` Tim Chen
2018-01-04 22:23       ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-05  4:54         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-05  5:05           ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-05 13:19       ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-04 17:56 ` [PATCH 3/7] x86/enter: Use IBRS on syscall and interrupts Tim Chen
2018-01-04 20:00   ` Greg KH
2018-01-04 20:26     ` Tim Chen
2018-01-04 20:45   ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-04 22:33   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-04 23:12     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-05  0:08     ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-05  4:51       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-05  5:11         ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-05 12:01           ` Alan Cox
2018-01-05 13:35   ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-04 17:56 ` [PATCH 4/7] x86/idle: Disable IBRS entering idle and enable it on wakeup Tim Chen
2018-01-04 22:47   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-04 23:00     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-04 23:22     ` Tim Chen
2018-01-04 23:42       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-04 23:45         ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-05  0:03           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-08  8:24       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-04 17:56 ` [PATCH 5/7] x86: Use IBRS for firmware update path Tim Chen
2018-01-04 18:48   ` Alan Cox
2018-01-04 20:05   ` Greg KH
2018-01-04 20:08     ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-05 16:08       ` gregkh
2018-01-05 16:37         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-04 20:21     ` Andrew Cooper
2018-01-04 20:48     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-04 20:51   ` Yves-Alexis Perez
2018-01-04 21:13     ` Tim Chen
2018-01-04 22:51   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-05 13:40   ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-04 17:56 ` [PATCH 6/7] x86/spec_ctrl: Add sysctl knobs to enable/disable SPEC_CTRL feature Tim Chen
2018-01-04 18:33   ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-04 18:36     ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-04 18:52       ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-04 18:57         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-04 18:59         ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-04 19:06           ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-05 13:48       ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-04 18:38     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-04 18:54       ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-04 18:56         ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-04 18:55       ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-04 18:34   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-04 19:02     ` Tim Chen
2018-01-04 18:50   ` Alan Cox
2018-01-04 20:16   ` Greg KH
2018-01-04 20:58     ` Tim Chen
2018-01-04 22:54   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-04 23:26     ` Tim Chen
2018-01-04 23:51       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-04 23:59         ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-05  0:07           ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-05 11:16   ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-06  1:29     ` Tim Chen
2018-01-04 17:56 ` [PATCH 7/7] x86/microcode: Recheck IBRS features on microcode reload Tim Chen
2018-01-04 18:28   ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-04 18:34     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-04 18:50       ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-04 19:10         ` Tim Chen
2018-01-05 13:32         ` Greg KH
2018-01-05 13:37           ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-05 13:47             ` Greg KH
2018-01-05 15:28           ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2018-01-04 19:00 ` [PATCH 0/7] IBRS patch series Linus Torvalds
2018-01-04 19:19   ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-04 19:33     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-04 19:39       ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-04 19:40       ` Andrew Cooper
2018-01-04 19:46         ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-04 21:22       ` Van De Ven, Arjan
2018-01-05 11:32         ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-01-05 12:09           ` Paul Turner
2018-01-05 14:45           ` Van De Ven, Arjan
2018-01-05 14:43         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-05 14:52           ` Van De Ven, Arjan
2018-01-05 15:03             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-05 14:54           ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-05 11:52       ` Paul Turner
2018-01-05 14:28         ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-05 14:42           ` Van De Ven, Arjan
2018-01-05 15:38             ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-05 16:05               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-05 16:37                 ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-05 16:42                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-05 16:44                     ` Van De Ven, Arjan
2018-01-05 16:46                     ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-05  5:25   ` Florian Weimer
2018-01-05 11:05     ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-04 19:05 ` Justin Forbes
2018-01-04 19:10   ` Tim Chen
2018-01-04 21:01     ` Yves-Alexis Perez
2018-01-05 13:28       ` Greg KH
2018-01-05 13:47         ` Yves-Alexis Perez
2018-01-05 14:01           ` Greg KH
2018-01-05 14:26             ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-01-05 14:54               ` Yves-Alexis Perez

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