From: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 3/4] x86/pti: don't mark the user PGD with _PAGE_NX.
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 18:49:05 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180108174905.GI10913@1wt.eu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180108173032.GD6176@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>
On Mon, Jan 08, 2018 at 06:30:32PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 08, 2018 at 09:23:49AM -0800, Dave Hansen wrote:
> > On 01/08/2018 09:17 AM, Willy Tarreau wrote:
> > >> I think the prctl() should apply to an entire process, not to a thread.
> > >
> > > As I mentionned in another mail, I didn't know how to do it, even less
> > > how to do it fast enough so that we didn't add more cycles to the syscall
> > > code.
> >
> > You can _implement_ it with a task thread if you want. Just spray it
> > across all threads at the prctl()-time instead of a single thread.
> > It'll take a wee bit of locking.
> >
> > I just don't think the API should apply to a single thread.
>
> It is surprisingly hard to find all tasks that share an mm. Finding all
> threads in a threadgroup is easy, but we have CLONE_THREAD and CLONE_VM
> as separate bits.
>
> In any case, aside from that, setting this remotely is indeed
> 'intersting'.
Then couldn't we instead detect that there's more than one thread in
the process and refuse to apply prctl() to prevent the behaviour from
becoming inconsistent ? This would seem reasonable after all, we want
to do this very early upon startup, it probably doesn't make sense to
change one's mind after threads have been created (or maybe only to
re-enable protection on some of them ?).
Willy
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-01-08 17:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-01-08 16:12 [PATCH RFC 0/4] Per-task PTI activation Willy Tarreau
2018-01-08 16:12 ` [PATCH RFC 1/4] x86/thread_info: add TIF_NOPTI to disable PTI per task Willy Tarreau
2018-01-08 16:57 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-08 17:03 ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-08 17:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-08 16:12 ` [PATCH RFC 2/4] x86/arch_prctl: add ARCH_GET_NOPTI and ARCH_SET_NOPTI to enable/disable PTI Willy Tarreau
2018-01-08 16:49 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-08 16:56 ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-08 17:02 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-08 17:10 ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-08 17:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-08 17:26 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-08 17:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-08 17:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-08 17:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-08 17:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-08 17:50 ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-08 17:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-08 18:22 ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-08 20:49 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-08 21:03 ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-08 20:35 ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-08 16:12 ` [PATCH RFC 3/4] x86/pti: don't mark the user PGD with _PAGE_NX Willy Tarreau
2018-01-08 17:03 ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-08 17:17 ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-08 17:23 ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-08 17:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-08 17:49 ` Willy Tarreau [this message]
2018-01-08 17:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-08 23:05 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-08 23:09 ` Kees Cook
2018-01-09 4:22 ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-08 17:05 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-08 17:28 ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-08 17:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-08 18:25 ` Alan Cox
2018-01-08 18:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-08 18:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-08 18:44 ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-08 16:12 ` [PATCH RFC 4/4] x86/entry/pti: don't switch PGD on tasks holding flag TIF_NOPTI Willy Tarreau
2018-01-08 17:11 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-08 17:20 ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-08 18:12 ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-08 23:01 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-08 16:59 ` [PATCH RFC 0/4] Per-task PTI activation Dave Hansen
2018-01-08 17:06 ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-08 17:17 ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-08 17:13 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-09 15:31 ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-09 16:02 ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-09 18:11 ` Zhi Wang
2018-01-09 21:07 ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-09 21:57 ` Willy Tarreau
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