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From: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
To: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Brian Gerst <brgerst@gmail.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 2/6] x86/arch_prctl: add ARCH_GET_NOPTI and ARCH_SET_NOPTI to enable/disable PTI
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 15:36:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180109143653.GA12976@1wt.eu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180109141713.ngqrf6weyiy2q3in@pd.tnic>

Hi Boris!

On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 03:17:13PM +0100, Borislav Petkov wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 01:56:16PM +0100, Willy Tarreau wrote:
> > This allows to report the current state of the PTI protection and to
> > enable or disable it for the current process. The state change is only
> > allowed if the mm is not shared (no threads have been created yet).
> > 
> > Setting the flag to disable the protection is subject to CAP_SYS_RAWIO.
> > However it is possible to re-enable the protection without this privilege.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
> > Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
> > Cc: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
> > Cc: Brian Gerst <brgerst@gmail.com>
> > Cc: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>
> > Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
> > Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
> > Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
> > Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
> > Cc: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
> > Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
> > Cc: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
> > 
> > v2:
> >   - use {set,clear}_thread_flag() as recommended by Peter
> >   - use task->mm->context.pti_disable instead of task flag
> >   - check for mm_users == 1
> >   - check for CAP_SYS_RAWIO only when setting, not clearing
> >   - make the code depend on CONFIG_PAGE_TABLE_ISOLATION
> > ---
> >  arch/x86/include/uapi/asm/prctl.h |  3 +++
> >  arch/x86/kernel/process_64.c      | 15 +++++++++++++++
> >  2 files changed, 18 insertions(+)
> > 
> > diff --git a/arch/x86/include/uapi/asm/prctl.h b/arch/x86/include/uapi/asm/prctl.h
> > index 5a6aac9..1f1b5bc 100644
> > --- a/arch/x86/include/uapi/asm/prctl.h
> > +++ b/arch/x86/include/uapi/asm/prctl.h
> > @@ -10,6 +10,9 @@
> >  #define ARCH_GET_CPUID		0x1011
> >  #define ARCH_SET_CPUID		0x1012
> >  
> > +#define ARCH_GET_NOPTI		0x1021
> > +#define ARCH_SET_NOPTI		0x1022
> > +
> >  #define ARCH_MAP_VDSO_X32	0x2001
> >  #define ARCH_MAP_VDSO_32	0x2002
> >  #define ARCH_MAP_VDSO_64	0x2003
> > diff --git a/arch/x86/kernel/process_64.c b/arch/x86/kernel/process_64.c
> > index c754662..9516310 100644
> > --- a/arch/x86/kernel/process_64.c
> > +++ b/arch/x86/kernel/process_64.c
> > @@ -654,7 +654,22 @@ long do_arch_prctl_64(struct task_struct *task, int option, unsigned long arg2)
> >  		ret = put_user(base, (unsigned long __user *)arg2);
> >  		break;
> >  	}
> > +#ifdef CONFIG_PAGE_TABLE_ISOLATION
> 
> Actually, I meant to add a new CONFIG item only for this feature which
> depends on CONFIG_PAGE_TABLE_ISOLATION. So that people can disable the
> per-mm thing when they don't want it.

I see and am not particularly against this, but what use case do you
have in mind precisely ? I doubt it's just saving a few tens of bytes,
so probably you're more concerned about the potential risks this opens ?
But given we only allow this for CAP_SYS_RAWIO and these ones already
have access to /dev/mem and many other things, don't you think there
are much easier ways to dump kernel memory in this case than trying to
inject some meltdown code into the victim process ? Or maybe you have
other cases in mind that I'm not seeing.

Thanks,
willy

  reply	other threads:[~2018-01-09 14:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-09 12:56 [RFC PATCH v2 0/6] Per process PTI activation Willy Tarreau
2018-01-09 12:56 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/6] x86/mm: add a pti_disable entry in mm_context_t Willy Tarreau
2018-01-09 12:56 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/6] x86/arch_prctl: add ARCH_GET_NOPTI and ARCH_SET_NOPTI to enable/disable PTI Willy Tarreau
2018-01-09 14:17   ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-09 14:36     ` Willy Tarreau [this message]
2018-01-09 14:51       ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-09 14:54         ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-09 21:26           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-09 21:29             ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-09 21:32               ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-09 21:46                 ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-09 22:06                   ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-09 22:20                     ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-09 22:29                       ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-09 22:40                       ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-10 14:42                         ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-10 15:39                           ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-10 16:09                             ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-10 16:19                               ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-10 17:28                                 ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-10  7:31                       ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-10  7:37                         ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-10  7:59                           ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-09 23:53                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-10  4:25                       ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-10  7:25               ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-10 14:45                 ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-10 15:43                   ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-10 15:45                   ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-09 21:34             ` Kees Cook
2018-01-09 21:41             ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-09 21:50               ` Kees Cook
2018-01-09 22:03                 ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-10  7:13             ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-12 15:03   ` David Laight
2018-01-12 15:06     ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-09 12:56 ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/6] x86/pti: add a per-cpu variable pti_disable Willy Tarreau
2018-01-10  7:19   ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-10  7:29     ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-10  8:01       ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-10  8:50         ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-10  8:59           ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-10  9:00             ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-09 12:56 ` [RFC PATCH v2 4/6] x86/pti: don't mark the user PGD with _PAGE_NX Willy Tarreau
2018-01-09 12:56 ` [RFC PATCH v2 5/6] x86/entry/pti: avoid setting CR3 when it's already correct Willy Tarreau
2018-01-10  7:16   ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-10  7:18     ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-10 20:29   ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-11  6:46     ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-09 12:56 ` [RFC PATCH v2 6/6] x86/entry/pti: don't switch PGD on when pti_disable is set Willy Tarreau
2018-01-10  7:15   ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-10  7:23     ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-10  8:22   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-10  9:11     ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-10 19:21       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-10 19:39         ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-10 19:44           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-10 19:50         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-10 20:04           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-11  6:42           ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-11 15:29             ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-11 15:44               ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-11 15:51                 ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-11 17:02                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-11 18:21                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-11 18:30                       ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-11 18:32                       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-01-11 18:36                         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-11 18:38                         ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-11 18:51                           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-11 18:57                             ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-11 19:05                               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-01-11 19:07                               ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-11 19:17                                 ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-11 19:19                                   ` Olivier Galibert
2018-01-11 19:26                                     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-01-11 19:34                                       ` Alan Cox
2018-01-11 21:23                                         ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-11 21:28                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-11 22:06                                             ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-12 16:37                                               ` David Laight
2018-01-11 19:12                               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-11 19:38                               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-11 19:11                           ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-11 20:00                     ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-11 17:09                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-11 17:40                   ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-11 17:53                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-11 18:05                       ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-11 18:15                         ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-11 18:31                           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-11 18:25                     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-11 18:26                       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-11 19:33                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-12 20:22                           ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-12 21:18                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-12 21:54                               ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-11 21:59                       ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-12 16:27                       ` David Laight
2018-01-12 17:55                         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-12 19:36                           ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-11 18:35                 ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-11 21:49                   ` Willy Tarreau

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