From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752200AbeBTNCU (ORCPT ); Tue, 20 Feb 2018 08:02:20 -0500 Received: from bombadil.infradead.org ([198.137.202.133]:46876 "EHLO bombadil.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751965AbeBTNCQ (ORCPT ); Tue, 20 Feb 2018 08:02:16 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 18:43:34 +0100 From: Peter Zijlstra To: Alan Stern Cc: Andrea Parri , "Paul E. McKenney" , Akira Yokosawa , Kernel development list , mingo@kernel.org, Will Deacon , boqun.feng@gmail.com, npiggin@gmail.com, dhowells@redhat.com, Jade Alglave , Luc Maranget , Patrick Bellasi Subject: Re: [PATCH] tools/memory-model: remove rb-dep, smp_read_barrier_depends, and lockless_dereference Message-ID: <20180219174334.GU25201@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> References: <20180217151413.GA3785@andrea> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.2 (2017-12-15) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 12:14:45PM -0500, Alan Stern wrote: > This leaves us with a question: Do we want to change the kernel by > adding memory barriers after unsuccessful RMW operations on Alpha, or > do we want to change the model by excluding such operations from > address dependencies? I think we want to put all the 'pain and weirdness' in Alpha.