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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>
Cc: mingo@redhat.com, valentin.schneider@arm.com,
	dietmar.eggemann@arm.com, vincent.guittot@linaro.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/7] sched/fair: Avoid unnecessary balancing of asymmetric capacity groups
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 19:26:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180220182605.GI25201@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180220163352.GD4589@e105550-lin.cambridge.arm.com>

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 04:33:52PM +0000, Morten Rasmussen wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 04:10:11PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 04:20:51PM +0000, Morten Rasmussen wrote:
> > > +/*
> > > + * group_similar_cpu_capacity: Returns true if the minimum capacity of the
> > > + * compared groups differ by less than 12.5%.
> > > + */
> > > +static inline bool
> > > +group_similar_cpu_capacity(struct sched_group *sg, struct sched_group *ref)
> > > +{
> > > +	long diff = sg->sgc->min_capacity - ref->sgc->min_capacity;
> > > +	long max = max(sg->sgc->min_capacity, ref->sgc->min_capacity);
> > > +
> > > +	return abs(diff) < max >> 3;
> > > +}
> > 
> > This seems a fairly random and dodgy heuristic.
> 
> I can't deny that :-)
> 
> We need to somehow figure out if we are doing asymmetric cpu capacity
> balancing or normal SMP balancing. We probably don't care about
> migrating tasks if the capacities are nearly identical. But how much is
> 'nearly'?
> 
> We could make it strictly equal as long as sgc->min_capacity is based on
> capacity_orig. If we let things like rt-pressure influence
> sgc->min_capacity, it might become a mess.

See, that is the problem, I think it this min_capacity thing is
influenced by rt-pressure and the like.

See update_cpu_capacity(), min_capacity is set after we add the RT scale
factor thingy, and then update_group_capacity() filters the min of the
whole group. The thing only ever goes down.

But this means that if a big CPU has a very high IRQ/RT load, its
capacity will dip below that of a little core and min_capacity for the
big group as a whole will appear smaller than that of the little group.

Or am I now terminally confused again?

  reply	other threads:[~2018-02-20 18:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-02-15 16:20 [PATCH 0/7] sched/fair: Migrate 'misfit' tasks on asymmetric capacity systems Morten Rasmussen
2018-02-15 16:20 ` [PATCH 1/7] sched: Add static_key for asymmetric cpu capacity optimizations Morten Rasmussen
2018-02-16 13:47   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-16 15:41     ` Morten Rasmussen
2018-02-16 16:51       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-19 11:49         ` Morten Rasmussen
2018-02-16 17:39       ` Quentin Perret
2018-02-16 17:43         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-15 16:20 ` [PATCH 2/7] sched/fair: Add group_misfit_task load-balance type Morten Rasmussen
2018-02-19 13:56   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-19 13:58     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-20 16:01       ` Morten Rasmussen
2018-02-15 16:20 ` [PATCH 3/7] sched/fair: Consider misfit tasks when load-balancing Morten Rasmussen
2018-02-15 16:20 ` [PATCH 4/7] sched/fair: Avoid unnecessary balancing of asymmetric capacity groups Morten Rasmussen
2018-02-19 14:50   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-19 14:53     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-20 16:22       ` Morten Rasmussen
2018-02-19 15:10   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-20 16:33     ` Morten Rasmussen
2018-02-20 18:26       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2018-02-23 16:38         ` Morten Rasmussen
2018-02-23 16:47           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-26 15:06             ` Morten Rasmussen
2018-02-15 16:20 ` [PATCH 5/7] sched/fair: Kick nohz balance if rq->misfit_task Morten Rasmussen
2018-02-15 16:20 ` [PATCH 6/7] sched: Rename root_domain->overload to should_idle_balance Morten Rasmussen
2018-02-16  9:14   ` Juri Lelli
2018-02-16  9:49     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-16 11:59       ` Valentin Schneider
2018-02-15 16:20 ` [PATCH 7/7] sched/fair: Set sd->should_idle_balance when misfit Morten Rasmussen
2018-02-28  7:46 ` [PATCH 0/7] sched/fair: Migrate 'misfit' tasks on asymmetric capacity systems Gaku Inami
2018-03-01 11:59   ` Valentin Schneider

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