From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752479AbeC2Oz4 (ORCPT ); Thu, 29 Mar 2018 10:55:56 -0400 Received: from bombadil.infradead.org ([198.137.202.133]:43374 "EHLO bombadil.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752425AbeC2Ozy (ORCPT ); Thu, 29 Mar 2018 10:55:54 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 16:55:44 +0200 From: Peter Zijlstra To: Dave Hansen Cc: Thomas Gleixner , Alison Schofield , Ingo Molnar , Tony Luck , Tim Chen , "H. Peter Anvin" , Borislav Petkov , David Rientjes , Igor Mammedov , Prarit Bhargava , brice.goglin@gmail.com, x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] x86,sched: allow topologies where NUMA nodes share an LLC Message-ID: <20180329145544.GE4043@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> References: <20180329000024.GA16648@alison-desk.jf.intel.com> <20180329134723.GA4043@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> <596dcb0c-5bbc-f3be-203b-571170ee8f11@linux.intel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <596dcb0c-5bbc-f3be-203b-571170ee8f11@linux.intel.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.3 (2018-01-21) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 07:37:29AM -0700, Dave Hansen wrote: > On 03/29/2018 06:47 AM, Peter Zijlstra wrote: > > Further I think Dave argued that we should not change the llc-size, > > because while SNC presents a subset of the cache to local CPUs, for > > remote data the whole cache is still available, again something some > > applications might rely on. > > BTW, I may have argued this in the past, but I don't think it's the best > thing to do. > > If anything, we should optimize for the _users_ of this information: the > performance-sensitive ones who are digging up the cache topology. They > are also likely to be the most NUMA-affinitized and stay node-local with > much of their memory traffic. That would seem to point us in the > direction of enumerating two separate, half-sized LLCs "shared" only by > the slice when SNC mode is on. > > That's what I've argued to the hardware folks lately, at least. Fair enough; then we need change the reported cache-size and mention all this in (preferably) both comment and Changelog.