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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Andrea Parri <parri.andrea@gmail.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Jade Alglave <j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk>,
	Luc Maranget <luc.maranget@inria.fr>,
	Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] memory-model: fix cheat sheet typo
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 14:34:34 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180410213434.GC3948@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8cbda122-6aa3-365b-fd09-52dca0644cbd@redhat.com>

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 11:10:06PM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> On 10/04/2018 22:32, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 09, 2018 at 11:42:58AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> >> On Mon, Apr 09, 2018 at 06:50:15PM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> >>> "RWM" should be "RMW", and that's more or less the extent to which I
> >>> can claim to change the document. :)  In particular, "Self" is not
> >>> documented and the difference between "Self" and "SV" is not clear
> >>> to me.
> >>>
> >>> Signed-off-by: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
> >>
> >> Applied, though without the questions.  ;-)
> >>
> >> "Self" is for things like smp_load_acquire() and smp_store_release()
> >> that order themselves against later and earlier accesses, respectively.
> >> This ordering applies to later/earlier access to all variables, not
> >> just the one that smp_load_acquire()/smp_store_release() accessed.
> >> In contrast, things like smp_mb() order only other accesses, not
> >> themselves.  Or at least it is impossible to proves whether or not they
> >> order themselves because they are not separately visible to other CPUs.
> >>
> >> "SV" is "same variable", which applies to pretty much anything that
> >> accesses a variable, but not to things like smp_mb() which do not.
> >>
> >> Does that help?
> > 
> > On the perhaps naive assumption that silence means assent, how about
> > the following patch?
> 
> Silence meant "I tried thinking of a patch myself, and hadn't come up
> yet with a fully satisfactory one"; that's some kind of assent I guess. :)

;-) ;-) ;-)

> Your patch is certainly an improvement!

Glad it helps, and I have queued it for the next merge window.  Of course,
if a further improvement comes to mind, please do not keep it a secret.  ;-)

							Thanx, Paul

> Thanks,
> 
> Paolo
> 
> > 							Thanx, Paul
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > commit 818e46e8db6cacb099b8640b7f2945a3151c00ab
> > Author: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> > Date:   Tue Apr 10 13:24:19 2018 -0700
> > 
> >     tools/memory-order: Improve key for SELF and SV
> >     
> >     The key for "SELF" was missing completely and the key for "SV" was
> >     a bit obtuse.  This commit therefore adds a key for "SELF" and improves
> >     the one for "SV".
> >     
> >     Reported-by: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
> >     Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> > 
> > diff --git a/tools/memory-model/Documentation/cheatsheet.txt b/tools/memory-model/Documentation/cheatsheet.txt
> > index c0eafdaddfa4..d502993ac7d2 100644
> > --- a/tools/memory-model/Documentation/cheatsheet.txt
> > +++ b/tools/memory-model/Documentation/cheatsheet.txt
> > @@ -26,4 +26,5 @@ Key:	C:	Ordering is cumulative
> >  	DR:	Dependent read (address dependency)
> >  	DW:	Dependent write (address, data, or control dependency)
> >  	RMW:	Atomic read-modify-write operation
> > -	SV	Same-variable access
> > +	SELF:	Orders self, as opposed to accesses both before and after
> > +	SV:	Orders later accesses to the same variable
> > 
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2018-04-10 21:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-09 16:50 [PATCH] memory-model: fix cheat sheet typo Paolo Bonzini
2018-04-09 18:42 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-04-10 20:32   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-04-10 21:10     ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-04-10 21:34       ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2018-04-11 11:15         ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-04-11 16:19           ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-04-11 16:31             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-04-11 17:06               ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-04-12 12:52                 ` Boqun Feng
2018-04-12  9:23           ` Andrea Parri
2018-04-12 10:18             ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-04-12 11:21               ` Andrea Parri
2018-04-12 21:18                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-04-13  9:54                   ` Andrea Parri

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