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Mon, 16 Apr 2018 13:44:28 -0400 Received: from mail.kernel.org ([198.145.29.99]:58954 "EHLO mail.kernel.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752177AbeDPRo1 (ORCPT ); Mon, 16 Apr 2018 13:44:27 -0400 DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org F3D0E21789 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=goodmis.org Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=rostedt@goodmis.org Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2018 13:44:23 -0400 From: Steven Rostedt To: Sasha Levin Cc: Pavel Machek , Linus Torvalds , Petr Mladek , "stable@vger.kernel.org" , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" , "akpm@linux-foundation.org" , "linux-mm@kvack.org" , Cong Wang , Dave Hansen , Johannes Weiner , Mel Gorman , Michal Hocko , Vlastimil Babka , Peter Zijlstra , Jan Kara , Mathieu Desnoyers , Tetsuo Handa , Byungchul Park , Tejun Heo Subject: Re: [PATCH AUTOSEL for 4.14 015/161] printk: Add console owner and waiter logic to load balance console writes Message-ID: <20180416134423.2b60ff13@gandalf.local.home> In-Reply-To: <20180416171607.GJ2341@sasha-vm> References: <20180409001936.162706-15-alexander.levin@microsoft.com> <20180409082246.34hgp3ymkfqke3a4@pathway.suse.cz> <20180415144248.GP2341@sasha-vm> <20180416093058.6edca0bb@gandalf.local.home> <20180416153031.GA5039@amd> <20180416155031.GX2341@sasha-vm> <20180416160608.GA7071@amd> <20180416161412.GZ2341@sasha-vm> <20180416170501.GB11034@amd> <20180416171607.GJ2341@sasha-vm> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: stable-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: stable@vger.kernel.org X-getmail-retrieved-from-mailbox: INBOX X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List-ID: On Mon, 16 Apr 2018 17:16:10 +0000 Sasha Levin wrote: > So if a user is operating a nuclear power plant, and has 2 leds: green > one that says "All OK!" and a red one saying "NUCLEAR MELTDOWN!", and > once in a blue moon a race condition is causing the red one to go on and > cause panic in the little province he lives in, we should tell that user > to fuck off? > > LEDs may not be critical for you, but they can be critical for someone > else. Think of all the different users we have and the wildly different > ways they use the kernel. We can point them to the fix and have them backport it. Or they should ask their distribution to backport it. Hopefully they tested the kernel they are using for something like that, and only want critical fixes. What happens if they take the next stable assuming that it has critical fixes only, and this fix causes a regression that creates the "ALL OK!" when it wasn't. Basically, I rather have stable be more bug compatible with the version it is based on with only critical fixes (things that will cause an oops) than to try to be bug compatible with mainline, as then we get into a state where things are a frankenstein of the stable base version and mainline. I could say, "Yeah this feature works better on this 4.x version of the kernel" and not worry about "4.x.y" versions having it better. -- Steve