From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZqQlwBg/qi1JpANgQBn+cU7w4eVwUW35MysL7DFu6jC2+EOSvjuromeHC7qNc/SyihQVhLz ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1525203893; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=G0HedYJDRilHSHWjDtTQScwXEDLSwnK36F6K59evml7B03kCYTjvOf0aJezlkKdKW2 DeojEFw/qqT0PN6anTlGQLd7N7SUv6a+ZTM27GGZp9eoxM64klO3oOI68aUmJAxAkW6L Sx4T1dap4VTvpLgUVyut2OLrsMCN5vT5nU1Vch5nrKL2j7h9GckThU3ZdjUq3UvktilB EIUiyCulGGd8q2GBcgprzLn28MSs9nl0kKnW3r71nl4GSG25+nmWHho7jcScbs7dM6Dd 8VjtDMv/pSx6YZCJ6Pgjad9o2DYS/uvhOtvUbw/URsl0YZrkKi8YYPyXY673cw91fXr0 45AA== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=user-agent:in-reply-to:content-disposition:mime-version:references :mail-followup-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:dkim-signature :arc-authentication-results; bh=HqIowR+sbiMsVxcjRKMzalryKDPi8FdEXAM4Lt4DMKc=; b=fjK8Imi2jaNDi3MGXVzIJ7onrQLlI56LvzKjIOrMv9Yz5BrdrW1aRQNXc61b1SWLig Ox5790JvH0Jp8HxcygynolSv4tE1fXZlV8h9XtBM6Znayvj4TrIkLQ3H/+6QpT439yZW fVr/cOCn4S5Jjhv7hK4bynRuKkqCJ/D2luT8Tvonbq3Cx50gbExTpE3uARAipPklcu4g +4EnxVB56qfdfOARHHrc+cMO83KARQsgeziwrr7ZCsCCR6SoriUZ/fNpmHwWHxIkTddS R0VOON+F8p+6Z2V4ReKznzdpBClDJgvGDW2INYLjiGKQvhC7p0mVoRPzltFXPHXIHURE AgVw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@thunk.org header.s=ef5046eb header.b=lrfrSrvL; spf=pass (google.com: domain of tytso@thunk.org designates 2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe96:be03 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=tytso@thunk.org Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@thunk.org header.s=ef5046eb header.b=lrfrSrvL; spf=pass (google.com: domain of tytso@thunk.org designates 2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe96:be03 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=tytso@thunk.org Date: Tue, 1 May 2018 15:44:50 -0400 From: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" To: Sasha Levin Cc: "ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org" , Greg KH , "w@1wt.eu" , "julia.lawall@lip6.fr" , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" Subject: Re: bug-introducing patches Message-ID: <20180501194450.GD10479@thunk.org> Mail-Followup-To: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" , Sasha Levin , "ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org" , Greg KH , "w@1wt.eu" , "julia.lawall@lip6.fr" , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" References: <20180501163818.GD1468@sasha-vm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180501163818.GD1468@sasha-vm> User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.5 (2018-04-13) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tytso@thunk.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on imap.thunk.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-getmail-retrieved-from-mailbox: INBOX X-GMAIL-THRID: =?utf-8?q?1599280464106480109?= X-GMAIL-MSGID: =?utf-8?q?1599292198437287794?= X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List-ID: On Tue, May 01, 2018 at 04:38:21PM +0000, Sasha Levin wrote: > - A merge window commit spent 50% more days, on average, in -next than a -rc > commit. So it *used* to be the case that after the merge window, I would queue up bug fixes for the next merge window. Greg K-H pushed for me to send them to Linus sooner, instead of waiting for the next merge window. TBH, it's actually easier for me to just wait until the next merge window, but please understand that there are multiple pressures on maintainers going on here, and the latest efforts to try to use AUTOSEL is just the most recent pressure placed on maintainers. The other thing is that when there is a regression users who are testing linux-next want it fixed *fast*. That's considered more important to them than waiting for one, perfect patch, just to keep AUTOSEL happy. So please understand that when you say that maintainers *need* to do X or Y, that there you are not the only one standing in line putting pressures on maintainers saying they *need* to do something. And quite frankly, I consider keeping people who are nice enough to test linux-next happy to be **far** more important than AUTOSEL. Sorry. - Ted