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From: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
To: tcharding <me@tobin.cc>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Anna-Maria Gleixner <anna-maria@linutronix.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] vsprintf: Add use-early-random-bytes cmd line option
Date: Tue, 1 May 2018 21:45:07 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180501214507.22138131@vmware.local.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180502012758.GD3791@eros>

On Wed, 2 May 2018 11:27:58 +1000
tcharding <me@tobin.cc> wrote:

> On Wed, May 02, 2018 at 01:02:34AM +0000, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 4:34 PM Tobin C. Harding <me@tobin.cc> wrote:
> > 
> >   
> > > This option should NOT be enabled on production kernels.  
> > 
> > I think with your fixes to get_random_bytes_arch(), it's perfectly fine to
> > use on production kernels (and doesn't even need a kernel command line
> > option).
> > 
> > It was only with the "use weak crypto" (that get_random_bytes_arch() used
> > to fall back on) that it was a problem. That fixed "verify that
> > get_random_bytes_arch() really uses hw crypto" is certainly not weak crypto.  

Except for where hardware vendors control what random bytes you
actually get ;-)

> 
> Ok, I'll wait to see if anyone with a more paranoid disposition adds to
> this otherwise will implement as suggested.

I still test on a lot of old boxes (my old workstations turn into my
test boxes). I haven't tried to see which machines have RDRAND support.
But regardless, can we still have a command line option that forces
early randomization even if RDRAND isn't supported?

-- Steve

  reply	other threads:[~2018-05-02  1:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-05-01 23:33 [PATCH 0/3] enable early printing of hashed pointers Tobin C. Harding
2018-05-01 23:33 ` [PATCH 1/3] random: Fix whitespace pre random-bytes work Tobin C. Harding
2018-05-02  0:18   ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-01 23:33 ` [PATCH 2/3] random: Return nbytes filled from hw RNG Tobin C. Harding
2018-05-01 23:44   ` Tobin C. Harding
2018-05-02  0:19   ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-05-02  1:39   ` Steven Rostedt
2018-05-02  2:07     ` Tobin C. Harding
2018-05-01 23:33 ` [PATCH 3/3] vsprintf: Add use-early-random-bytes cmd line option Tobin C. Harding
2018-05-02  1:02   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-05-02  1:27     ` tcharding
2018-05-02  1:45       ` Steven Rostedt [this message]
2018-05-02  2:05         ` tcharding
2018-05-02  2:51         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-05-02 21:56   ` Andrew Morton
2018-05-03  2:56     ` Tobin C. Harding

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