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Thu, 3 May 2018 05:47:27 -0400 Received: from atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz ([195.113.26.193]:42401 "EHLO atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750969AbeECJr0 (ORCPT ); Thu, 3 May 2018 05:47:26 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 11:47:24 +0200 From: Pavel Machek To: Sasha Levin Cc: Jiri Kosina , Linus Torvalds , Steven Rostedt , Petr Mladek , "stable@vger.kernel.org" , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" , "akpm@linux-foundation.org" , "linux-mm@kvack.org" , Cong Wang , Dave Hansen , Johannes Weiner , Mel Gorman , Michal Hocko , Vlastimil Babka , Peter Zijlstra , Jan Kara , Mathieu Desnoyers , Tetsuo Handa , Byungchul Park , Tejun Heo Subject: Re: [PATCH AUTOSEL for 4.14 015/161] printk: Add console owner and waiter logic to load balance console writes Message-ID: <20180503094724.GD32180@amd> References: <20180416153031.GA5039@amd> <20180416155031.GX2341@sasha-vm> <20180416160608.GA7071@amd> <20180416161412.GZ2341@sasha-vm> <20180416170501.GB11034@amd> <20180416171607.GJ2341@sasha-vm> <20180416203629.GO2341@sasha-vm> <20180416211845.GP2341@sasha-vm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="kvUQC+jR9YzypDnK" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180416211845.GP2341@sasha-vm> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Sender: stable-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: stable@vger.kernel.org X-getmail-retrieved-from-mailbox: INBOX X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List-ID: --kvUQC+jR9YzypDnK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon 2018-04-16 21:18:47, Sasha Levin wrote: > On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 10:43:28PM +0200, Jiri Kosina wrote: > >On Mon, 16 Apr 2018, Sasha Levin wrote: > > > >> So I think that Linus's claim that users come first applies here as > >> well. If there's a user that cares about a particular feature being > >> broken, then we go ahead and fix his bug rather then ignoring him. > > > >So one extreme is fixing -stable *iff* users actually do report an issue. > > > >The other extreme is backporting everything that potentially looks like a > >potential fix of "something" (according to some arbitrary metric), > >pro-actively. > > > >The former voilates the "users first" rule, the latter has a very, very > >high risk of regressions. > > > >So this whole debate is about finding a compromise. > > > >My gut feeling always was that the statement in > > > > Documentation/process/stable-kernel-rules.rst > > > >is very reasonable, but making the process way more "aggresive" when > >backporting patches is breaking much of its original spirit for me. >=20 > I agree that as an enterprise distro taking everything from -stable > isn't the best idea. Ideally you'd want to be close to the first Original purpose of -stable was "to be common base of enterprise distros" and our documentation still says it is. > I think that we can agree that it's impossible to expect every single > Linux user to go on LKML and complain about a bug he encountered, so the > rule quickly becomes "It must fix a real bug that can bother > people". I think you are playing dangerous word games. > My "aggressiveness" comes from the whole "bother" part: it doesn't have > to be critical, it doesn't have to cause data corruption, it doesn't > have to be a security issue. It's enough that the bug actually affects a > user in a way he didn't expect it to (if a user doesn't have > expectations, it would fall under the "This could be a problem..." > exception. And it seems documentation says you should be less aggressive and world tells you they expect to be less aggressive. So maybe that's what you should do? 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