From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZpCV002aalSm+Irz+gzOe6dBd0kU4Ruq75vbRMkhx1V8SL+Mx67XGPI7SDOS+5BGL7E13uB ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1525388949; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=t9J/kRnK61onSj70NHaSmm1KTJM+VGTW0RUzRjZL1B5tkGTanBLjVs+mBDY+btGIgY s13wIbG+v5BE99b5JEdDrKeaziFgGf7py79dKJREiqk64UbZIgm+7XzS/DKUVxsYr+j5 YOi90zDCZC1ZsRUKWIP+ZiJt2FTGOoDHs1TqZds1WSKjJ56pT5Fz3Z/ORsTgoB20rQVF Ymcw5TifDQxz4oQHiZKn8NC+8f6PDTOq6ttAEiNLY5lDcAYBddwWOjVojwtlZVy9PuiU Kq2bkyeK5E958RK8zOU0C8txVnbaS85HHBNHQnIXxoMzrriqOhS4i2PWm7O9Ey3LrXEs ubbQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=user-agent:in-reply-to:content-disposition:mime-version:references :message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:arc-authentication-results; bh=+tH3CasT2nDYAfw11O8PwLK+czTTGVdwsKEmIjbXUzc=; b=rqVfg+iKWWi7AZ0aViWwzW49BZ2FgcOnlTuRR6136Ye2RVFkbn1ZucaKJitabQF3zS mQL5+Oy2Tx4TDTTkSW9wgqb8IITd4V6ZbA4MbM+08zelFQFl1YtxejqwScONIbuLydV5 3V4wSnBGU/3xV2izdnLR79ps0+hHCT6/pu2zOabWQxr/u7nhMjmHmX2x3b2EYbvZkB3A VGUKF/qeeRFl9xVAqTIEoY/olWlc9ZOQmprjx4WnNDyc0iNi/GjMzZ1j98jid5Aj/Fsf /uuJ9yUYFXyjiOzNu4OeIEwR62lnHsWU3IdXBLhuGpexQeUvxVNLYdYurb1Yg27OdyrM ZKBw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 72.249.23.125 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of tony@atomide.com) smtp.mailfrom=tony@atomide.com Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 72.249.23.125 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of tony@atomide.com) smtp.mailfrom=tony@atomide.com Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 16:09:05 -0700 From: Tony Lindgren To: Mark Brown Cc: Guenter Roeck , "ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org" , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" , Greg KH , "w@1wt.eu" Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] bug-introducing patches Message-ID: <20180503230905.GA98604@atomide.com> References: <20180501194450.GD10479@thunk.org> <20180501200019.GA7397@sasha-vm> <20180501205448.GE10479@thunk.org> <20180501211551.GI2714@sirena.org.uk> <20180502194632.GB18390@sasha-vm> <20180503020550.GP2714@sirena.org.uk> <20180503031000.GC29205@thunk.org> <0276fcda-0385-8f22-dbdb-e063f7ed8bbe@roeck-us.net> <20180503224217.GR2714@sirena.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180503224217.GR2714@sirena.org.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28) X-getmail-retrieved-from-mailbox: INBOX X-GMAIL-THRID: =?utf-8?q?1599280464106480109?= X-GMAIL-MSGID: =?utf-8?q?1599486242330354116?= X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List-ID: * Mark Brown [180503 22:44]: > On Wed, May 02, 2018 at 08:52:29PM -0700, Guenter Roeck wrote: > > > As for -next, me and others stopped reporting bugs in it, because when we do > > we tend to get flamed for the "noise". Is anyone aware (or cares) that mips > > and nds32 images don't build ? Soaking clothes in an empty bathtub won't make > > them wet, and bugs in code which no one builds, much less tests or uses, won't > > be found. > > You've been flamed for testing -next? That's not been my experience and > frankly it's pretty horrifying that it's happening. Testing is pretty > much the whole point of -next existing in the first place so you have to > wonder why people are putting their trees there if they don't want > testing. I have seen a few issues with people reporting bugs on old > versions of -next but otherwise... Yes I agree testing Linux next is very important. That's the best way for maintainers to ensure a usable -rc1 after a merge window. And then for the -rc cycle, there not much of need for chasing bugs to get things working. Bugs reported for Linux next often seem to get fixed or reverted faster compared to the -rc cycle too. I think that's because people realize that their code will not get merged until it's been fixed. So some daily testing of Linux next can save a lot scrambling after the merge window :) Users don't usually upgrade kernels until after later -rc releases or only after major releases so that probably explains some of the -rc cycle fixes. Regards, Tony