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From: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
To: Marc Zyngier <marc.zyngier@arm.com>
Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 09/14] arm64: ssbd: Introduce thread flag to control userspace mitigation
Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 13:19:45 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180524121944.GC8689@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <833776ac-2b8c-b0f7-dcff-9c55afd67c65@arm.com>

On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 01:16:38PM +0100, Marc Zyngier wrote:
> On 24/05/18 13:01, Mark Rutland wrote:
> > On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 04:06:43PM +0100, Marc Zyngier wrote:
> >> In order to allow userspace to be mitigated on demand, let's
> >> introduce a new thread flag that prevents the mitigation from
> >> being turned off when exiting to userspace, and doesn't turn
> >> it on on entry into the kernel (with the assumtion that the
> > 
> > Nit: s/assumtion/assumption/
> > 
> >> mitigation is always enabled in the kernel itself).
> >>
> >> This will be used by a prctl interface introduced in a later
> >> patch.
> >>
> >> Signed-off-by: Marc Zyngier <marc.zyngier@arm.com>
> > 
> > On the assumption that this flag cannot be flipped while a task is in
> > userspace:
> 
> Well, that's the case unless you get into the seccomp thing, which does
> change TIF_SSBD on all threads of the task, without taking it to the
> kernel first. That nicely breaks the state machine, and you end-up
> running non-mitigated in the kernel. Oops.
> 
> I have a couple of patches fixing that, using a second flag
> (TIF_SSBD_PENDING) that gets turned into the real thing on exit to
> userspace. It's pretty ugly though.

... which introduces the need for atomics on the entry path too :(

I would /much/ rather kill the seccomp implicit enabling of the mitigation,
or at least have a way to opt-out per arch since it doesn't seem to be
technically justified imo.

Will

  reply	other threads:[~2018-05-24 12:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-05-22 15:06 [PATCH 00/14] arm64 SSBD (aka Spectre-v4) mitigation Marc Zyngier
2018-05-22 15:06 ` [PATCH 01/14] arm/arm64: smccc: Add SMCCC-specific return codes Marc Zyngier
2018-05-24 10:55   ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-22 15:06 ` [PATCH 02/14] arm64: Call ARCH_WORKAROUND_2 on transitions between EL0 and EL1 Marc Zyngier
2018-05-23  9:23   ` Julien Grall
2018-05-24 10:52     ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-24 12:10       ` Robin Murphy
2018-05-24 11:00   ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-24 11:23     ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-24 11:28       ` Marc Zyngier
2018-05-22 15:06 ` [PATCH 03/14] arm64: Add per-cpu infrastructure to call ARCH_WORKAROUND_2 Marc Zyngier
2018-05-23 10:03   ` Julien Grall
2018-05-24 11:14   ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-22 15:06 ` [PATCH 04/14] arm64: Add ARCH_WORKAROUND_2 probing Marc Zyngier
2018-05-23 10:06   ` Julien Grall
2018-05-24  9:58   ` Suzuki K Poulose
2018-05-24 11:39     ` Will Deacon
2018-05-24 13:34       ` Suzuki K Poulose
2018-05-24 11:27   ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-22 15:06 ` [PATCH 05/14] arm64: Add 'ssbd' command-line option Marc Zyngier
2018-05-22 15:29   ` Randy Dunlap
2018-05-23 10:08   ` Julien Grall
2018-05-24 11:40   ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-24 11:52     ` Marc Zyngier
2018-05-22 15:06 ` [PATCH 06/14] arm64: ssbd: Add global mitigation state accessor Marc Zyngier
2018-05-23 10:11   ` Julien Grall
2018-05-24 11:41   ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-22 15:06 ` [PATCH 07/14] arm64: ssbd: Skip apply_ssbd if not using dynamic mitigation Marc Zyngier
2018-05-23 10:13   ` Julien Grall
2018-05-24 11:43   ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-22 15:06 ` [PATCH 08/14] arm64: ssbd: Disable mitigation on CPU resume if required by user Marc Zyngier
2018-05-23 10:52   ` Julien Grall
2018-05-24 11:55   ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-22 15:06 ` [PATCH 09/14] arm64: ssbd: Introduce thread flag to control userspace mitigation Marc Zyngier
2018-05-24 12:01   ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-24 12:16     ` Marc Zyngier
2018-05-24 12:19       ` Will Deacon [this message]
2018-05-24 12:36         ` Marc Zyngier
2018-05-22 15:06 ` [PATCH 10/14] arm64: ssbd: Add prctl interface for per-thread mitigation Marc Zyngier
2018-05-22 15:48   ` Dominik Brodowski
2018-05-22 16:30     ` Marc Zyngier
2018-05-24 12:10   ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-24 12:24   ` Will Deacon
2018-05-22 15:06 ` [PATCH 11/14] arm64: KVM: Add HYP per-cpu accessors Marc Zyngier
2018-05-24 12:11   ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-22 15:06 ` [PATCH 12/14] arm64: KVM: Add ARCH_WORKAROUND_2 support for guests Marc Zyngier
2018-05-24 12:15   ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-22 15:06 ` [PATCH 13/14] arm64: KVM: Handle guest's ARCH_WORKAROUND_2 requests Marc Zyngier
2018-05-24 12:22   ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-22 15:06 ` [PATCH 14/14] arm64: KVM: Add ARCH_WORKAROUND_2 discovery through ARCH_FEATURES_FUNC_ID Marc Zyngier
2018-05-24 12:25   ` Mark Rutland

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