From: luca abeni <luca.abeni@santannapisa.it>
To: Quentin Perret <quentin.perret@arm.com>
Cc: Claudio Scordino <claudio@evidence.eu.com>,
Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
Morten Rasmussen <Morten.Rasmussen@arm.com>,
viresh kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
Valentin Schneider <valentin.schneider@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 00/10] track CPU utilization
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 23:05:36 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180606230536.2c0ae587@nowhere> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180606132046.GC10870@e108498-lin.cambridge.arm.com>
Hi,
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 14:20:46 +0100
Quentin Perret <quentin.perret@arm.com> wrote:
[...]
> > However, IMHO, these are corner cases and in the average case it is
> > better to rely on running_bw and reduce the CPU frequency
> > accordingly.
>
> My point was that accepting to go at a lower frequency than required
> by this_bw is fundamentally unsafe. If you're at a low frequency when
> a DL task starts, there are real situations where you won't be able
> to increase the frequency immediately, which can eventually lead to
> missing deadlines. Now, if this risk is known, has been discussed,
> and is accepted, that's fair enough. I'm just too late for the
> discussion :-)
Well, our conclusion was that this issue can be addressed when
designing the scheduling parameters:
- If we do not consider frequency scaling, a task can respect its
deadlines if the SCHED_DEADLINE runtime is larger than the task's
execution time and the SCHED_DEADLINE period is smaller than the
task's period (and if some kind of "global" admission test is
respected)
- Considering frequency scaling (and 0-time frequency switches), the
SCHED_DEADLINE runtime must be larger than the task execution time at
the highest frequency
- If the frequency switch time is larger than 0, then the
SCHED_DEADLINE runtime must be larger than the task execution time
(at the highest frequency) plus the frequency switch time
If this third condition is respected, I think that deadline misses can
be avoided even if running_bw is used (and the CPU takes a considerable
time to switch frequency). Of course, this requires an over-allocation
of runtime (and the global admission test has more probabilities to
fail)...
Luca
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-06-06 21:05 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-05-25 13:12 [PATCH v5 00/10] track CPU utilization Vincent Guittot
2018-05-25 13:12 ` [PATCH v5 01/10] sched/pelt: Move pelt related code in a dedicated file Vincent Guittot
2018-05-25 14:26 ` Quentin Perret
2018-05-25 16:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-29 8:21 ` Quentin Perret
2018-05-25 18:04 ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-05-29 14:55 ` Quentin Perret
2018-05-29 15:02 ` Vincent Guittot
2018-05-29 15:04 ` Quentin Perret
2018-05-25 13:12 ` [PATCH v5 02/10] sched/rt: add rt_rq utilization tracking Vincent Guittot
2018-05-25 15:54 ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-05-29 13:29 ` Vincent Guittot
2018-05-30 9:32 ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-05-30 10:06 ` Vincent Guittot
2018-05-30 11:01 ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-05-30 14:39 ` Vincent Guittot
2018-05-25 13:12 ` [PATCH v5 03/10] cpufreq/schedutil: add rt " Vincent Guittot
2018-05-30 7:03 ` Viresh Kumar
2018-05-30 8:23 ` Vincent Guittot
2018-05-30 9:40 ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-05-30 9:53 ` Vincent Guittot
2018-05-30 16:46 ` Quentin Perret
2018-05-31 8:46 ` Juri Lelli
2018-06-01 16:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-01 17:23 ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-06-04 10:17 ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-04 15:16 ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-05-25 13:12 ` [PATCH v5 04/10] sched/dl: add dl_rq " Vincent Guittot
2018-05-30 10:50 ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-05-30 11:51 ` Vincent Guittot
2018-05-25 13:12 ` [PATCH v5 05/10] cpufreq/schedutil: get max utilization Vincent Guittot
2018-05-28 10:12 ` Juri Lelli
2018-05-28 14:57 ` Vincent Guittot
2018-05-28 15:22 ` Juri Lelli
2018-05-28 16:34 ` Vincent Guittot
2018-05-31 10:27 ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-05-31 13:02 ` Vincent Guittot
2018-06-01 13:53 ` Vincent Guittot
2018-06-01 17:45 ` Joel Fernandes
2018-06-04 6:41 ` Vincent Guittot
2018-06-04 7:04 ` Juri Lelli
2018-06-04 7:14 ` Vincent Guittot
2018-06-04 10:12 ` Juri Lelli
2018-06-04 12:35 ` Vincent Guittot
2018-05-29 5:08 ` Joel Fernandes
2018-05-29 6:31 ` Juri Lelli
2018-05-29 6:48 ` Vincent Guittot
2018-05-29 9:47 ` Juri Lelli
2018-05-29 8:40 ` Quentin Perret
2018-05-29 9:52 ` Juri Lelli
2018-05-30 8:37 ` Quentin Perret
2018-05-30 8:51 ` Juri Lelli
2018-05-25 13:12 ` [PATCH v5 06/10] sched: remove rt and dl from sched_avg Vincent Guittot
2018-05-25 13:12 ` [PATCH v5 07/10] sched/irq: add irq utilization tracking Vincent Guittot
2018-05-30 15:55 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-05-30 18:45 ` Vincent Guittot
2018-05-31 16:54 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-06-06 16:06 ` Vincent Guittot
2018-06-07 8:29 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-06-07 8:44 ` Vincent Guittot
2018-06-07 9:06 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-05-25 13:12 ` [PATCH v5 08/10] cpufreq/schedutil: take into account interrupt Vincent Guittot
2018-05-28 10:41 ` Juri Lelli
2018-05-28 12:06 ` Vincent Guittot
2018-05-28 12:37 ` Juri Lelli
2018-05-25 13:12 ` [PATCH v5 09/10] sched: remove rt_avg code Vincent Guittot
2018-05-25 13:12 ` [PATCH v5 10/10] proc/sched: remove unused sched_time_avg_ms Vincent Guittot
2018-06-04 16:50 ` [PATCH v5 00/10] track CPU utilization Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-04 17:13 ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-04 18:08 ` Vincent Guittot
2018-06-05 14:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-05 15:03 ` Juri Lelli
2018-06-05 15:38 ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-06-05 22:27 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-06 9:44 ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-06 9:59 ` Vincent Guittot
2018-06-06 10:02 ` Vincent Guittot
2018-06-06 10:12 ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-05 8:36 ` Vincent Guittot
2018-06-05 10:57 ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-05 11:59 ` Vincent Guittot
2018-06-05 13:12 ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-05 13:18 ` Vincent Guittot
2018-06-05 13:52 ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-05 13:55 ` Vincent Guittot
2018-06-05 14:09 ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-05 14:21 ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-05 12:11 ` Juri Lelli
2018-06-05 13:05 ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-05 13:15 ` Juri Lelli
2018-06-05 14:01 ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-05 14:13 ` Juri Lelli
2018-06-06 13:05 ` Claudio Scordino
2018-06-06 13:20 ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-06 13:53 ` Claudio Scordino
2018-06-06 14:10 ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-06 21:05 ` luca abeni [this message]
2018-06-07 8:25 ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-06 20:53 ` luca abeni
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