From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@linaro.org>
Cc: Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
rjw@rjwysocki.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Eduardo Valentin <edubezval@gmail.com>,
Javi Merino <javi.merino@kernel.org>,
Leo Yan <leo.yan@linaro.org>,
Kevin Wangtao <kevin.wangtao@linaro.org>,
Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
Rui Zhang <rui.zhang@intel.com>,
Daniel Thompson <daniel.thompson@linaro.org>,
"open list:POWER MANAGEMENT CORE" <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V5] powercap/drivers/idle_injection: Add an idle injection framework
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 11:32:01 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180607093201.GL12198@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d2b8c964-ea0f-624c-a178-721537893541@linaro.org>
On Thu, Jun 07, 2018 at 11:09:13AM +0200, Daniel Lezcano wrote:
> On 07/06/2018 10:49, Viresh Kumar wrote:
> > On 07-06-18, 10:46, Daniel Lezcano wrote:
> >> Yes, correct.
> >>
> >> But if we don't care about who wins to store to value, is there a risk
> >> of scramble variable if we just assign a value ?
> >
> > Normally no, as the compiler wouldn't screw it up badly. But there is no rule
> > which stops the compiler from doing this:
> >
> > idle_duration_ms = 5;
> > idle_duration_ms = -5;
> > idle_duration_ms = 0;
> > idle_duration_ms = <real-value-we-want-to-write>;
> >
> > So we *must* use READ/WRITE_ONCE() to make sure garbage values aren't seen by
> > readers.
>
> Ok understood. Why would a compiler do this kind of things ?
I think the above can happen when the compiler uses the variable as a
scratch pad -- very rare I would say.
In general a compiler needs to proof that doing this makes no observable
difference ("as-if" rule). And since it is a regular variable it can
assume data-race-free and do the above (or something like that). Because
if there is a data-race it is UB and it can still do whatever it
pleases.
And here I think the point is that regular variables are considered only
in the context of a single linear execution context. Locks are assumed
to bound observability.
And here the "volatile" and "_atomic" type specifiers again tell the
compiler something 'special' is going on and you should not muck with
things.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-06-07 9:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-06-05 9:16 [PATCH V5] powercap/drivers/idle_injection: Add an idle injection framework Daniel Lezcano
2018-06-05 10:39 ` Viresh Kumar
2018-06-05 14:54 ` Daniel Lezcano
2018-06-06 4:27 ` Viresh Kumar
2018-06-06 10:22 ` Daniel Lezcano
2018-06-06 10:45 ` Viresh Kumar
2018-06-06 12:05 ` Andrea Parri
2018-06-06 12:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-07 14:11 ` Daniel Lezcano
2018-06-08 4:48 ` Viresh Kumar
2018-06-08 8:31 ` Daniel Lezcano
2018-06-06 12:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-06 13:42 ` Daniel Lezcano
2018-06-06 15:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-07 8:18 ` Daniel Lezcano
2018-06-07 8:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-07 8:42 ` Viresh Kumar
2018-06-07 8:46 ` Daniel Lezcano
2018-06-07 8:49 ` Viresh Kumar
2018-06-07 9:09 ` Daniel Lezcano
2018-06-07 9:32 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2018-06-07 9:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-07 12:31 ` Daniel Lezcano
2018-06-07 9:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
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