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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	LKMM Maintainers -- Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>,
	Andrea Parri <andrea.parri@amarulasolutions.com>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Jade Alglave <j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk>,
	Luc Maranget <luc.maranget@inria.fr>,
	Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Kernel development list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] tools/memory-model: Add write ordering by release-acquire and by locks
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 13:53:24 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180622205324.GU3593@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1806221458480.1454-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>

On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 03:11:37PM -0400, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Jun 2018, Will Deacon wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 02:09:04PM -0400, Alan Stern wrote:

[ . . . ]

> > > > Could we drop the acquire/release stuff from the patch and limit this change
> > > > to locking instead?
> > > 
> > > The LKMM uses the same CAT code for acquire/release and lock/unlock.  
> > > (In essence, it considers a lock to be an acquire and an unlock to be a
> > > release; everything else follows from that.)  Treating one differently
> > > from the other in these tests would require some significant changes.
> > > It wouldn't be easy.
> > 
> > It would be boring if it was easy ;) I think this is a case of the tail
> > wagging the dog.
> > 
> > Paul -- please can you drop this patch until we've resolved this discussion?
> 
> Agreed.  It sounds like we'll need two versions of the Rel and Acq sets
> in the memory model; one for RCpc and one for RCsc.  smp_load_acquire
> and smp_store_release will use the former, and locking will use the
> latter.

Done!

							Thanx, Paul

> Would it suffice to have this duplication just for release, using a
> single version of acquire?  What would happen on ARMv8 or RISC-V if an
> RCsc release was read by an RCpc acquire?  Or vice versa?
> 
> Alan
> 


  reply	other threads:[~2018-06-22 20:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-21 17:27 [PATCH 2/2] tools/memory-model: Add write ordering by release-acquire and by locks Alan Stern
2018-06-21 18:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-22  3:34   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-22  8:08     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-22  8:09 ` Will Deacon
2018-06-22  9:55   ` Will Deacon
2018-06-22 10:31     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-22 10:38       ` Will Deacon
2018-06-22 11:25         ` Andrea Parri
2018-06-22 16:40       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-22 18:09   ` Alan Stern
2018-06-22 18:30     ` Will Deacon
2018-06-22 19:11       ` Alan Stern
2018-06-22 20:53         ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2018-07-04 11:53         ` Will Deacon
2018-06-25  8:19       ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-03 17:28         ` Alan Stern
2018-07-04 11:28           ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-04 12:13             ` Will Deacon
2018-07-05 14:23               ` Alan Stern
2018-07-05 15:31                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-04 12:11           ` Will Deacon
2018-07-05 14:00             ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-05 14:44               ` Will Deacon
2018-07-05 15:16                 ` Daniel Lustig
2018-07-05 15:35                   ` Daniel Lustig
2018-07-05 14:21             ` Alan Stern
2018-07-05 14:46               ` Will Deacon
2018-07-05 14:57                 ` Alan Stern
2018-07-05 15:15                   ` Will Deacon
2018-07-05 15:09               ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-06 20:37                 ` Alan Stern
2018-07-06 21:10                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-09 16:52                     ` Will Deacon
2018-07-09 17:29                       ` Daniel Lustig
2018-07-09 19:18                         ` Alan Stern
2018-07-05 15:31               ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-05 15:39                 ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-05 16:58                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-05 17:06                     ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-05 15:44                 ` Daniel Lustig
2018-07-05 16:22                   ` Will Deacon
2018-07-05 16:56                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-05 18:12                       ` Daniel Lustig
2018-07-05 18:38                         ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-05 18:44                           ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-05 23:32                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-05 23:31                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-06  9:25                       ` Will Deacon
2018-07-06 14:14                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-25  7:32     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-25  8:29       ` Andrea Parri
2018-06-25  9:06         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-22  9:06 ` Andrea Parri
2018-06-22 19:23   ` Alan Stern

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