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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	Byungchul Park <max.byungchul.park@gmail.com>,
	Byungchul Park <byungchul.park@lge.com>,
	jiangshanlai@gmail.com, josh@joshtriplett.org,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kernel-team@lge.com,
	luto@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 2/2] rcu: Remove ->dynticks_nmi_nesting from struct rcu_dynticks
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 14:16:00 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180622211600.GX3593@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180622170042.4adfbe21@gandalf.local.home>

On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 05:00:42PM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 13:58:13 -0700
> "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
> > Something like this:
> > 
> > 	IRQ entered
> > 
> > And never exited.  Ever.  I actually saw this in 2011.
> 
> I still believe this was actually a bug. And perhaps you made the RCU
> code robust enough to handle this bug ;-)

Welcome to my world!

But I recall it being used in several places, so if it was a bug, it
was an intentional bug.  Probably the worst kind.

Sort of like nested NMIs and interrupts within NMI handlers.  ;-)

> > Or something like this:
> > 
> > 	IRQ exited
> > 
> > Without a corresponding IRQ enter.
> > 
> > The current code handles both of these situations, at least assuming
> > that the interrupt entry/exit happens during a non-idle period.
> > 
> > > > So why this function-call structure?  Well, you see, NMI handlers can
> > > > take what appear to RCU to be normal interrupts...
> > > > 
> > > > (And I just added that fun fact to Requirements.html.)  
> > > 
> > > Yes, I'll definitely go through all the interrupt requirements in the doc and
> > > thanks for referring me to it.  
> > 
> > My concern may well be obsolete.  It would be good if it was!  ;-)
> 
> I'd love to mandate that irq_enter() must be paired with irq_exit(). I
> don't really see any rationale for it to be otherwise. If there is a
> case, perhaps it needs to be fixed.

Given that the usermode helpers now look to be common code using
workqueues, kthreads, and calls to do_execve(), it might well be that
the days of half-interrupts are behind us.

But how to actually validate this?  My offer of adding a WARN_ON_ONCE()
and waiting a few years still stands, but perhaps you have a better
approach.

							Thanx, Paul


  reply	other threads:[~2018-06-22 21:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-20  8:47 [RFC 1/2] rcu: Do prepare and cleanup idle depending on in_nmi() Byungchul Park
2018-06-20  8:47 ` [RFC 2/2] rcu: Remove ->dynticks_nmi_nesting from struct rcu_dynticks Byungchul Park
2018-06-20 14:58   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-20 16:05     ` Byungchul Park
2018-06-20 16:49       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-20 17:15         ` Byungchul Park
2018-06-20 17:40           ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-21  6:39             ` Byungchul Park
2018-06-21  6:48               ` Byungchul Park
2018-06-21 10:08               ` Byungchul Park
2018-06-21 15:05                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-21 15:04               ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-22  3:00                 ` Byungchul Park
2018-06-22 13:36                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-22  5:56         ` Joel Fernandes
2018-06-22 13:28           ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-22 14:19             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-22 16:12               ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-22 16:01             ` Steven Rostedt
2018-06-22 18:14               ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-22 18:19             ` Joel Fernandes
2018-06-22 18:32               ` Steven Rostedt
2018-06-22 20:05                 ` Joel Fernandes
2018-06-25  8:28                   ` Byungchul Park
2018-06-25 16:39                     ` Joel Fernandes
2018-06-25 17:19                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-25 19:15                         ` Joel Fernandes
2018-06-25 20:25                       ` Steven Rostedt
2018-06-25 20:47                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-25 20:47                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-25 22:16                             ` Steven Rostedt
2018-06-25 23:30                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-25 22:15                           ` Steven Rostedt
2018-06-25 23:32                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-25 21:25                         ` Joel Fernandes
2018-06-22 20:58                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-22 20:58               ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-22 21:00                 ` Steven Rostedt
2018-06-22 21:16                   ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2018-06-22 22:03                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-23 17:53                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-28 20:02                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-28 21:13                           ` Joel Fernandes
2018-06-28 21:41                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-23 15:48                     ` Joel Fernandes
2018-06-23 17:56                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-24  3:02                         ` Joel Fernandes
2018-06-20 13:33 ` [RFC 1/2] rcu: Do prepare and cleanup idle depending on in_nmi() Steven Rostedt
2018-06-20 14:58   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-20 15:25   ` Byungchul Park
2018-06-20 14:50 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-20 15:43   ` Steven Rostedt
2018-06-20 15:56     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-20 16:11       ` Byungchul Park
2018-06-20 16:14         ` Steven Rostedt
2018-06-20 16:37           ` Byungchul Park
2018-06-20 16:11       ` Steven Rostedt
2018-06-20 16:30         ` Paul E. McKenney

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