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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@kernel.org,
	jiangshanlai@gmail.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com,
	josh@joshtriplett.org, tglx@linutronix.de, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	dhowells@redhat.com, edumazet@google.com, fweisbec@gmail.com,
	oleg@redhat.com, joel@joelfernandes.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH tip/core/rcu 06/27] rcu: Mark task as .need_qs less aggressively
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2018 11:03:03 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180626180303.GD3593@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180626170812.GH2494@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 07:08:12PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 05:34:52PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > If any scheduling-clock interrupt interrupts an RCU-preempt read-side
> > critical section, the interrupted task's ->rcu_read_unlock_special.b.need_qs
> > field is set.  This causes the outermost rcu_read_unlock() to incur the
> > extra overhead of calling into rcu_read_unlock_special().  This commit
> > reduces that overhead by setting ->rcu_read_unlock_special.b.need_qs only
> > if the grace period has been in effect for more than one second.
> 
> Even less agressive is never setting it at all.

True, but if the CPU has been in an RCU read-side critical section for
a full second (which is the case with high probability when .b.need_qs
is set after this change), we might want to respond to the end of that
critical section sooner rather than later.

> Changelog fails to explain why not setting it every tick is correct, nor
> why 1s is a 'safe' value to use.

The RCU CPU stall warning cannot be set to less than 3s, so 1s is
reasonable.  It is a tradeoff -- setting it lower causes a greater
fraction of RCU read-side critical sections to incur extra overhead at
rcu_read_unlock() time, while setting it higher keeps a lazy approach
to reporting the quiescent state to core RCU for longer critical sections.

The upcoming RCU-bh/RCU-preempt/RCU-sched consolidation will raise
contention and overhead, so this is one of several things done to
lower overhead and contention to compensate for that.

							Thanx, Paul


  reply	other threads:[~2018-06-26 18:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-26  0:34 [PATCH tip/core/rcu 0/27] Post-gp_seq miscellaneous fixes for v4.19 Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-26  0:34 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 01/27] rcu: Make rcu_read_unlock_special() static Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-26  0:34 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 02/27] rcu: Improve rcu_note_voluntary_context_switch() reporting Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-26  0:34 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 03/27] rcu: rcupdate.h: Get rid of Sphinx warnings at rcu_pointer_handoff() Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-26  0:34 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 04/27] rcu: Use pr_fmt to prefix "rcu: " to logging output Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-26  0:34 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 05/27] rcu: Improve RCU-tasks naming and comments Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-26  0:34 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 06/27] rcu: Mark task as .need_qs less aggressively Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-26 17:08   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-26 18:03     ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2018-06-26 21:38       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-26  0:34 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 07/27] rcu: Inline rcu_dynticks_momentary_idle() into its sole caller Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-26  0:34 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 08/27] rcu: Clarify and correct the rcu_preempt_qs() header comment Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-26  0:34 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 09/27] rcu: Remove unused rcu_kick_nohz_cpu() function Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-26  0:34 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 10/27] rcu: Remove unused local variable "cpu" Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-26  0:34 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 11/27] rcu: Remove "inline" from panic_on_rcu_stall() and rcu_blocking_is_gp() Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-26  0:34 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 12/27] rcu: Remove "inline" from rcu_torture_print_module_parms() Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-26  0:34 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 13/27] rcu: Remove "inline" from rcu_perf_print_module_parms() Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-26  0:35 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 14/27] rcu: Remove __maybe_unused from rcu_cpu_has_callbacks() Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-26  0:35 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 15/27] rcu: Use RCU CPU stall timeout for rcu_check_gp_start_stall() Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-26  0:35 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 16/27] rcu: Add comment documenting how rcu_seq_snap works Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-26 17:14   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-26 18:08     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-26 19:21       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-26 19:31         ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-26 20:15           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-26 22:27             ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-26 17:30   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-26 18:10     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-26 19:27       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-27  4:39     ` Joel Fernandes
2018-06-27 17:54       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-27 18:27         ` Joel Fernandes
2018-06-27 19:11           ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-28  5:10           ` Joel Fernandes
2018-06-28 17:42             ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-26  0:35 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 17/27] rcu: Speed up calling of RCU tasks callbacks Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-26  0:35 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 18/27] rcu: Add comment to the last sleep in the rcu tasks loop Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-26  0:35 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 19/27] rcu: Add diagnostics for rcutorture writer stall warning Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-26  0:35 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 20/27] rcu: Check the range of jiffies_till_{first,next}_fqs when setting them Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-26  0:35 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 21/27] doc: Update synchronize_rcu() definition in whatisRCU.txt Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-26  0:35 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 22/27] rcu: Make rcu_seq_diff() more exact Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-26  0:35 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 23/27] MAINTAINERS: Update RCU, SRCU, and TORTURE-TEST entries Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-26  0:35 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 24/27] rcu: Print stall-warning NMI dyntick state in hexadecimal Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-26  0:35 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 25/27] srcu: Add grace-period number to rcutorture statistics printout Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-26  0:35 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 26/27] rculist: Improve documentation for list_for_each_entry_from_rcu() Paul E. McKenney
2018-06-26  0:35 ` [PATCH tip/core/rcu 27/27] rcu: Assign higher prio to RCU threads if rcutorture is built-in Paul E. McKenney

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