From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID, USER_AGENT_MUTT autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45268ECDFB1 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2018 14:51:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E43242089D for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2018 14:51:06 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key) header.d=thunk.org header.i=@thunk.org header.b="fuloSWb9" DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org E43242089D Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=mit.edu Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726642AbeGOPOR (ORCPT ); Sun, 15 Jul 2018 11:14:17 -0400 Received: from imap.thunk.org ([74.207.234.97]:43722 "EHLO imap.thunk.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726260AbeGOPOQ (ORCPT ); Sun, 15 Jul 2018 11:14:16 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=thunk.org; s=ef5046eb; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID: Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=SlrSaFcn6ivCHRBrovvMBUwub6+OWVH3aikMVpzYNlI=; b=fuloSWb9dW2AstFfxKqAvXxMcG qZKxKMSKdMIccB2sKn+aB9alQhsAkUiBm2YlQAQs9kIwES08LArftQb/nAf/lpIPq7udSjx+uW3Xn zbvbS/XP6mbY8Qem8DUg7bVBA1DYfJFp3LyO17gYEjrUS4j0D+wQNC3hNTHEqdby43R8=; Received: from root (helo=callcc.thunk.org) by imap.thunk.org with local-esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1feiMM-0006NT-UA; Sun, 15 Jul 2018 14:50:51 +0000 Received: by callcc.thunk.org (Postfix, from userid 15806) id 7776A7A63EE; Sun, 15 Jul 2018 10:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 10:50:47 -0400 From: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" To: Greg KH Cc: Pavel Machek , Willy Tarreau , Sasha Levin , "ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org" , "julia.lawall@lip6.fr" , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" Subject: Re: bug-introducing patches Message-ID: <20180715145047.GA6179@thunk.org> Mail-Followup-To: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" , Greg KH , Pavel Machek , Willy Tarreau , Sasha Levin , "ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org" , "julia.lawall@lip6.fr" , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" References: <20180501163818.GD1468@sasha-vm> <20180501194450.GD10479@thunk.org> <20180501200019.GA7397@sasha-vm> <20180501205448.GE10479@thunk.org> <20180501220228.GD7397@sasha-vm> <20180502043017.GA11938@1wt.eu> <20180502194139.GA18390@sasha-vm> <20180502200229.GA12729@1wt.eu> <20180714173812.xhfwtcijlxebmn2k@devuan> <20180715085403.GA21992@kroah.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180715085403.GA21992@kroah.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.0 (2018-05-17) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tytso@thunk.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on imap.thunk.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 10:54:03AM +0200, Greg KH wrote: > Pavel, I "love" how you fail to point out that you are responding to a 2 > month old thread :( And apologies for releasing some ancient messages that were caught in the ksummit-discuss's moderation queue. I hadn't been paying attention to the fact that there had been some messages caught there, and I figured it might be some people on the ksummit-discuss list who might have missed the context of that old thread. That being said, it *was* beaten to death two months ago, so people who are replying might want to keep that in mind. :-) > And as always, you have a choice: > - if you don't like stable kernels, don't run them. And if you don't like stable kernels, you can pay $$$ to an enterprise distro kernel. Although you might find they aren't that much better at the whole fixing bugs versus introducing regressions tradeoff. Indeed, because there are crazy people who insist on using 3.18 kernels *and* getting support for the latest hardware, you may find that it's somewhat worse; not to mention not necessarily being able to get all of the fixes for the cache-related security problems getting found... - Ted